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	<title>Comments on: War On Terror: American Definition, Pakistani Solution</title>
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		<title>By: Aftab S. Alam</title>
		<link>http://www.pakspectator.com/war-on-terror-american-definition-pakistani-solution-2/#comment-8026</link>
		<dc:creator>Aftab S. Alam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 16:20:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prof. Akbar S. Ahmed was the one who had categorically had opposed the policy of letting the Afghan refugees freely move round in Pakistan and be allowed to settle at a place of their liking, and do wha they like. We all know and ar experiencing the curse they brought to our people and our country. Dr. Akbar S. Ahmed had warned about this already then, he had advised to keep them in secured refugees camps. Iranis were smart and did it, and you know what no Afghan refugee ever had an opportunity even to see what Iran looked like except the route to and from the deignated camp an back to "sweet home". Some people thought a bit too inhuman; Iranians countered it with the argument that we never promised anyhing more than refuge for the transitory period and if anyone feels it must be better than this , is most welcome to take them and we will help their transfer to new better facilities. Guess what that was that.

Indians the self appointed champions of freedom and liberty they did exactly same with the Bengali refugees in 1971. 

One great advantage of making such an arrangment is that they stay fresh in the memories of the world community as a war related issue, and moreover these people do not start in mingling in the affairs of the hosts. 

It is a nice gesture to help and provide refuge to people in distress, but Pakistan and Pakistanis must come first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prof. Akbar S. Ahmed was the one who had categorically had opposed the policy of letting the Afghan refugees freely move round in Pakistan and be allowed to settle at a place of their liking, and do wha they like. We all know and ar experiencing the curse they brought to our people and our country. Dr. Akbar S. Ahmed had warned about this already then, he had advised to keep them in secured refugees camps. Iranis were smart and did it, and you know what no Afghan refugee ever had an opportunity even to see what Iran looked like except the route to and from the deignated camp an back to &#8220;sweet home&#8221;. Some people thought a bit too inhuman; Iranians countered it with the argument that we never promised anyhing more than refuge for the transitory period and if anyone feels it must be better than this , is most welcome to take them and we will help their transfer to new better facilities. Guess what that was that.</p>
<p>Indians the self appointed champions of freedom and liberty they did exactly same with the Bengali refugees in 1971. </p>
<p>One great advantage of making such an arrangment is that they stay fresh in the memories of the world community as a war related issue, and moreover these people do not start in mingling in the affairs of the hosts. </p>
<p>It is a nice gesture to help and provide refuge to people in distress, but Pakistan and Pakistanis must come first.</p>
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		<title>By: jusathot</title>
		<link>http://www.pakspectator.com/war-on-terror-american-definition-pakistani-solution-2/#comment-7991</link>
		<dc:creator>jusathot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 13:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.pakspectator.com/war-on-terror-american-definition-pakistani-solution-2/#comment-7991</guid>
		<description>@Kheshgi – The point of contention here is that for some folks ethnic frictions leads to extreme points of view and “heartless and selfish” mindset. They blame the other group for all their problems and support any “final solution” that may rid them of their unwanted compatriots. 

As for Afghan refugees – now that’s a different issue. I suggest you read Akbar S. Ahmed’s anthropological study on “The Afghan Refugees”. Similarly, a lot of studies and articles are out there that goes into greater in-depth about migration and urban planning and politics that may provide you with the answers why a particular urban center becomes the hub for migrants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kheshgi – The point of contention here is that for some folks ethnic frictions leads to extreme points of view and “heartless and selfish” mindset. They blame the other group for all their problems and support any “final solution” that may rid them of their unwanted compatriots. </p>
<p>As for Afghan refugees – now that’s a different issue. I suggest you read Akbar S. Ahmed’s anthropological study on “The Afghan Refugees”. Similarly, a lot of studies and articles are out there that goes into greater in-depth about migration and urban planning and politics that may provide you with the answers why a particular urban center becomes the hub for migrants.</p>
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		<title>By: Kheshgi</title>
		<link>http://www.pakspectator.com/war-on-terror-american-definition-pakistani-solution-2/#comment-7932</link>
		<dc:creator>Kheshgi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 01:20:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.pakspectator.com/war-on-terror-american-definition-pakistani-solution-2/#comment-7932</guid>
		<description>jusathot &#38; Aftab Alam - You raised an interesting point and may not be directly related to the topic but prompt some very valid questions.  Why the Afghan and other northern areas refugees don't go to closer destinations like Rawalpindi, Lahore, Faislabad, or Multan? just like here we have more Cubans in Florida or Mexicans in Texas due to closeness to their home countries.  Are there are really no economic &#38; commercial opportunities in Punjab?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jusathot &amp; Aftab Alam - You raised an interesting point and may not be directly related to the topic but prompt some very valid questions.  Why the Afghan and other northern areas refugees don&#8217;t go to closer destinations like Rawalpindi, Lahore, Faislabad, or Multan? just like here we have more Cubans in Florida or Mexicans in Texas due to closeness to their home countries.  Are there are really no economic &amp; commercial opportunities in Punjab?</p>
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		<title>By: jusathot</title>
		<link>http://www.pakspectator.com/war-on-terror-american-definition-pakistani-solution-2/#comment-7910</link>
		<dc:creator>jusathot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 23:20:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.pakspectator.com/war-on-terror-american-definition-pakistani-solution-2/#comment-7910</guid>
		<description>A couple of additional points that the saner and fair-minded "gringos" are also talking about: Bushiites “war on terror” is a pretext for securing oil, gas and other strategic supplies, protecting Israel and imperialism hegemony. 

For the neo-cons – the Armageddon crowd the war on terror is currently a war on Islam. McCain the Presidential hopeful continues to talk about the war on terror as a war against “Islamism” and the “moral monster” in Islam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple of additional points that the saner and fair-minded &#8220;gringos&#8221; are also talking about: Bushiites “war on terror” is a pretext for securing oil, gas and other strategic supplies, protecting Israel and imperialism hegemony. </p>
<p>For the neo-cons – the Armageddon crowd the war on terror is currently a war on Islam. McCain the Presidential hopeful continues to talk about the war on terror as a war against “Islamism” and the “moral monster” in Islam.</p>
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		<title>By: Aftab S. Alam</title>
		<link>http://www.pakspectator.com/war-on-terror-american-definition-pakistani-solution-2/#comment-7889</link>
		<dc:creator>Aftab S. Alam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 21:56:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.pakspectator.com/war-on-terror-american-definition-pakistani-solution-2/#comment-7889</guid>
		<description>One more point. I never accused TPS of anything, I inquired from one of the writers namely DR. Isfahani about the status of my comment. Once informed, I immediately apologized. There is a difference between an inquiry and an accusation and courtesy; may be language and thought is not your strength. After all - you are "JUSTATHOT"!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more point. I never accused TPS of anything, I inquired from one of the writers namely DR. Isfahani about the status of my comment. Once informed, I immediately apologized. There is a difference between an inquiry and an accusation and courtesy; may be language and thought is not your strength. After all - you are &#8220;JUSTATHOT&#8221;!!</p>
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		<title>By: Aftab S. Alam</title>
		<link>http://www.pakspectator.com/war-on-terror-american-definition-pakistani-solution-2/#comment-7884</link>
		<dc:creator>Aftab S. Alam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 21:29:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.pakspectator.com/war-on-terror-american-definition-pakistani-solution-2/#comment-7884</guid>
		<description>I am impressed by display of your level of intelligence! No, you have not scared me - though you tried!

"JUSTATHOT" whatever that's supposed to mean - at least it confirms the notion about your lack of self-esteem and great deficit of self regard. Your confidence level is closest to the point zero on a scale of 100; someone who hates even his name and identity how can he event pretend to be interested in truth, let alone standing for it.

Since you have referred to Mr. Siddique's letter about my comments on DAWN's editorial. Decency would have expected that my initial comments as well as my reply to Mr. Siddique would also be printed. But then, perhaps it's too much to expect such finesse from you "JUSTATHOT"!

For your convenience my rejoinder follows: 

Refugees in Karachi


I MUST respond to, though reluctantly, Mr I. Siddiqui’s letter, ‘Scarce resources’ (March 24), in which he fulminates about my remarks and position on your editorial, ‘More refugees in Karachi’ (Feb 28).

Interestingly, he finds the editorial ‘well-reasoned’ and at the same times my views ‘cynical’. He accuses me of “demanding that nobody else should henceforth be allowed to migrate to Karachi or Sindh.” On the contrary, my stand is in agreement with Dawn newspaper’s position, like any normal thinking person, that all Pakistanis (including from Waziristan) have every right to seek residence in Karachi and may access the same socio-economic opportunities available to other Karachi residents.

Whereas I did and still do question: Do sufficient and adequate health /educational facilities exist in Karachi? I fail to understand what in my letter has upset him, even so, Dawn mentions and most likely Mr Siddique suffers the “limited space and resources”, “and the already run-down civic infrastructure of Karachi”, which I agree, “will come under further strain.” All I am guilty of is that I have expressed my apprehensions regarding the trauma of forced migration, the pain of displacement and expectations and demands of rehabilitation.

In my opinion these are the victims of a war that Pakistanis find themselves into and are our national and collective responsibility; the burden of rehabilitation of these refugees cannot and must not be the sole responsibility of the city government of Karachi. It’s a national responsibility and we don’t want to take it away from them.

Of course, the Sindh province generally and the city of Karachi particularly have received all those displaced and rendered homeless; Sindh has graciously accepted us and we have always come here like one comes home without any reasons to explain. And that’s why I asked, and ask again if these refugees have a right to be rehabilitated elsewhere in Pakistan, including Lahore and Islamabad.

They are citizens of Pakistan, and the federation of Pakistan must provide them all the support. As our brethren in distress, they must not be made dependent on largess of our kind-heartedness or pity and altruism.

As far as the writer’s comments about my place of domicile is concerned, well, I live in the USA and have lived in the past in many other modern and civilised capitals of this, our, world (no I haven’t forfeited my Pakistani nationality or citizenship). And I daresay I am proud, fortunate, and honoured to receive here a clear understanding of education and freedom of mind.

AFTAB S. ALAM
United States</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am impressed by display of your level of intelligence! No, you have not scared me - though you tried!</p>
<p>&#8220;JUSTATHOT&#8221; whatever that&#8217;s supposed to mean - at least it confirms the notion about your lack of self-esteem and great deficit of self regard. Your confidence level is closest to the point zero on a scale of 100; someone who hates even his name and identity how can he event pretend to be interested in truth, let alone standing for it.</p>
<p>Since you have referred to Mr. Siddique&#8217;s letter about my comments on DAWN&#8217;s editorial. Decency would have expected that my initial comments as well as my reply to Mr. Siddique would also be printed. But then, perhaps it&#8217;s too much to expect such finesse from you &#8220;JUSTATHOT&#8221;!</p>
<p>For your convenience my rejoinder follows: </p>
<p>Refugees in Karachi</p>
<p>I MUST respond to, though reluctantly, Mr I. Siddiqui’s letter, ‘Scarce resources’ (March 24), in which he fulminates about my remarks and position on your editorial, ‘More refugees in Karachi’ (Feb 28).</p>
<p>Interestingly, he finds the editorial ‘well-reasoned’ and at the same times my views ‘cynical’. He accuses me of “demanding that nobody else should henceforth be allowed to migrate to Karachi or Sindh.” On the contrary, my stand is in agreement with Dawn newspaper’s position, like any normal thinking person, that all Pakistanis (including from Waziristan) have every right to seek residence in Karachi and may access the same socio-economic opportunities available to other Karachi residents.</p>
<p>Whereas I did and still do question: Do sufficient and adequate health /educational facilities exist in Karachi? I fail to understand what in my letter has upset him, even so, Dawn mentions and most likely Mr Siddique suffers the “limited space and resources”, “and the already run-down civic infrastructure of Karachi”, which I agree, “will come under further strain.” All I am guilty of is that I have expressed my apprehensions regarding the trauma of forced migration, the pain of displacement and expectations and demands of rehabilitation.</p>
<p>In my opinion these are the victims of a war that Pakistanis find themselves into and are our national and collective responsibility; the burden of rehabilitation of these refugees cannot and must not be the sole responsibility of the city government of Karachi. It’s a national responsibility and we don’t want to take it away from them.</p>
<p>Of course, the Sindh province generally and the city of Karachi particularly have received all those displaced and rendered homeless; Sindh has graciously accepted us and we have always come here like one comes home without any reasons to explain. And that’s why I asked, and ask again if these refugees have a right to be rehabilitated elsewhere in Pakistan, including Lahore and Islamabad.</p>
<p>They are citizens of Pakistan, and the federation of Pakistan must provide them all the support. As our brethren in distress, they must not be made dependent on largess of our kind-heartedness or pity and altruism.</p>
<p>As far as the writer’s comments about my place of domicile is concerned, well, I live in the USA and have lived in the past in many other modern and civilised capitals of this, our, world (no I haven’t forfeited my Pakistani nationality or citizenship). And I daresay I am proud, fortunate, and honoured to receive here a clear understanding of education and freedom of mind.</p>
<p>AFTAB S. ALAM<br />
United States</p>
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		<title>By: jusathot</title>
		<link>http://www.pakspectator.com/war-on-terror-american-definition-pakistani-solution-2/#comment-7861</link>
		<dc:creator>jusathot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 19:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.pakspectator.com/war-on-terror-american-definition-pakistani-solution-2/#comment-7861</guid>
		<description>Aftab bhai, like your Pir of London/Altaf bhai are a carpetbagger. This becomes clearer when one read through some of your posts – more specifically the recent one in Dawn and at TPS. Mr. Siddique of Karachi correctly diagnosed in a letter to Dawn:
 “Aftab S. Alam has cynically asked from the US that instead of settling in Karachi, don’t these refugees from Waziristan ... settle in some other parts of Pakistan, specifically Islamabad and Lahore. It is a shame that this comes from someone who apparently chose to migrate to the traditionally most popular destination for Pakistani emigrants, i.e. America. He wants to deny the devastated and absolutely poor folks from a war zone in Pakistan the right to relocate to a place where they may be having relatives and friends and greater economic or other opportunities. This is similar to those people (like me) who are known as muhajirs, after having come here from India, demanding that nobody else should henceforth be allowed to migrate to Karachi or Sindh. How could Mr Alam be so heartless and selfish? He should rather have tried to provide some sort of help to our unfortunate brethren, who lost all their meagre belongings and some of whose loved ones have perished in the embattled areas of Pakistan.”

And recently you accused TPS of deleting your comments. When TPS suggested “perhaps the comment you made never sent to TPS from your side”. You say maybe you goofed up! I say you sitting with redneck Bushiites – perhaps need to get over your hangover before your start to leak all over Pakistani blogs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aftab bhai, like your Pir of London/Altaf bhai are a carpetbagger. This becomes clearer when one read through some of your posts – more specifically the recent one in Dawn and at TPS. Mr. Siddique of Karachi correctly diagnosed in a letter to Dawn:<br />
 “Aftab S. Alam has cynically asked from the US that instead of settling in Karachi, don’t these refugees from Waziristan &#8230; settle in some other parts of Pakistan, specifically Islamabad and Lahore. It is a shame that this comes from someone who apparently chose to migrate to the traditionally most popular destination for Pakistani emigrants, i.e. America. He wants to deny the devastated and absolutely poor folks from a war zone in Pakistan the right to relocate to a place where they may be having relatives and friends and greater economic or other opportunities. This is similar to those people (like me) who are known as muhajirs, after having come here from India, demanding that nobody else should henceforth be allowed to migrate to Karachi or Sindh. How could Mr Alam be so heartless and selfish? He should rather have tried to provide some sort of help to our unfortunate brethren, who lost all their meagre belongings and some of whose loved ones have perished in the embattled areas of Pakistan.”</p>
<p>And recently you accused TPS of deleting your comments. When TPS suggested “perhaps the comment you made never sent to TPS from your side”. You say maybe you goofed up! I say you sitting with redneck Bushiites – perhaps need to get over your hangover before your start to leak all over Pakistani blogs.</p>
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		<title>By: Aftab S. Alam</title>
		<link>http://www.pakspectator.com/war-on-terror-american-definition-pakistani-solution-2/#comment-7859</link>
		<dc:creator>Aftab S. Alam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 17:10:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.pakspectator.com/war-on-terror-american-definition-pakistani-solution-2/#comment-7859</guid>
		<description>Yours is a "JUSATHOT" and proves your limitations.
You should see your shrink and get a shot to improve your THOT!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yours is a &#8220;JUSATHOT&#8221; and proves your limitations.<br />
You should see your shrink and get a shot to improve your THOT!</p>
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		<title>By: jusathot</title>
		<link>http://www.pakspectator.com/war-on-terror-american-definition-pakistani-solution-2/#comment-7824</link>
		<dc:creator>jusathot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 13:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.pakspectator.com/war-on-terror-american-definition-pakistani-solution-2/#comment-7824</guid>
		<description>The term “war on terror” is not ambiguous – it is a bogey. It is a new kind of imperialism disguised as war-on-terror: distractive term and destructive results. We don’t need to read Chomsky or other editorial to figure this out.


But we Muslims should be focusing on the agents or proxies of the West: The Chalebi-Sistani-Barzani-Talabani-al-Hakim-Karzai-Musharraf-Mubarak and the likes.

It is time we see the true colors of the devil in disguise amongst our so-called Muslim elites. It is one more unveiling for us to see the true colors of the crusaders in disguise. The “war-on-terror” is NOT ambiguous – it is a religious crusade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The term “war on terror” is not ambiguous – it is a bogey. It is a new kind of imperialism disguised as war-on-terror: distractive term and destructive results. We don’t need to read Chomsky or other editorial to figure this out.</p>
<p>But we Muslims should be focusing on the agents or proxies of the West: The Chalebi-Sistani-Barzani-Talabani-al-Hakim-Karzai-Musharraf-Mubarak and the likes.</p>
<p>It is time we see the true colors of the devil in disguise amongst our so-called Muslim elites. It is one more unveiling for us to see the true colors of the crusaders in disguise. The “war-on-terror” is NOT ambiguous – it is a religious crusade.</p>
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