Three Moons, Three Eids: Where Is Our Unity
By Farid Masood • Oct 3rd, 2008 • Category: Misc, Worth A Second Look • 12 CommentsIn Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and Arab States are celebrating Eid-ul-Fitr today. May there be Eid in Pakistan Tomorrow. Weather experts say that sighting of moon in Pakistan will be most probably on the evening of 30th Ramadan rather than 29th Ramadan. So Eid in Pakistan may be after two days of Saudi Arabian Eid day.
In Pakistan we witness two to three Eid days, the people of border areas with Afghanistan claim the moon sighting of Ramadan and Eids with Arab countries, Peshawar (NWFP) people claim sighting of moon one day after Arab countries and rest of Pakistan celebrate Eid after sighting of moon by ‘Moon Sighting Committee’ or after 30th Ramadan (if moon not sighted after 29th). So three Eids in one country, what a mess.
Actually there are four moons and four Eids.
If Arab States and Kingdom of Saudi Arabia can decide Eid day whether the moon sighted in Saudi Arabia or in Arab States, why we cannot declare Eids moon sighting even if it is sighted on border areas with Afghanistan.
Apart from geological or metereological reasons, why we cannot celebrate Eids with Arab States and Saudi Arabia, while we perform Pilgrimage ‘Hajj’ as per their dates.
Doing this will increase unity in Muslim Ummah also. Point to Ponder.
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This is really appraisable that we believe in one god.
By this attitude any body can well imagine, how much more strength is needed to shatter us in to a lost community
Farid we do no need blame any body for this.
A wrong deed as practices is the fault of practitioner..
Farid what do you think what should be the ideal way to set aside this controversy of sighting the moon of such an important event.
Farid this is very important topic and I think we should discuss the issue a little bit here on the board so to read and understand the controversial theme behind.
Please revert with remarks so that we may have some affirmative lay out .regards.
Farid said, “Apart from geological or metereological reasons, why we cannot celebrate Eids with Arab States and Saudi Arabia, while we perform Pilgrimage ‘Hajj’ as per their dates.”
Hajj is performed only in Makkah so a person who is physically present in Makkah will off course perform hajj according to KSA dates,,,,, not according to Pakistan date.
Secondly, We can solve this problem by fixing our Eid day…very next to KSA date. It will accpeted by all of us or government should make silent policy that we will announce Eid on very next day of KSA Eid.
There are few Muslim events that needs to be celebrated all over world on one day… Like Moharram and Birth of Prophet Muhammad P.B.U.H. Because the birthdate of Prophet Muhammad was 12th Rabi-Ul-Awal according to KSA time…not Pakistan region. So in Pakistan that day would be 11th Rabi-Ul-Awal…. How we can morn or celebrate the date on very next date of the day when event happened. Does such events happened twice or thrice according to region?
Same is with Laila-Tul-Qadar Nights… If you go with KSA odd days of last Ramadan…what about Pakistan because those days are actually even days in Pakistan. So which one is right. Because Laila-Tul-Qadar is one night…not 1 night three times in a world.
has any body addressed such mistakes…or we made solid practice of them without clearing from qualified Islamic scholar.
If any body of you can explain then you are welcome.
Yes, Dr sahib showed his interest to discuss this matter in detail and in depth, this was the theme to write this post, and Mr Saleem Khan raised very important points I them append as it is:
1. “There are few Muslim events that needs to be celebrated all over world on one day… Like Moharram and Birth of Prophet Muhammad P.B.U.H. Because the birthdate of Prophet Muhammad was 12th Rabi-Ul-Awal according to KSA time…not Pakistan region. So in Pakistan that day would be 11th Rabi-Ul-Awal…. How we can morn or celebrate the date on very next date of the day when event happened. Does such events happened twice or thrice according to region?”
2. “Same is with Laila-Tul-Qadar Nights… If you go with KSA odd days of last Ramadan…what about Pakistan because those days are actually even days in Pakistan. So which one is right. Because Laila-Tul-Qadar is one night…not 1 night three times in a world.”
3. The time difference between KSA and Pakistan is in hours, but due to difference in geographical position and its impact on meteorological sight, difference some time becomes in days (one and sometimes two).
Capt(R)Dr Razahaider
what do you say, how to solve this issue?
Saleem Khan gave words to my thought. It will be good to abolish Rowiat Hilal Committee (RHC) and should announce celebration or mourning days in Islamic lunar calender, in Pakistan, a day after Kindgom of Saudi Arabia days. It makes sense as per geographical location and moon sighting is concerned.
Though I am not big fan of most of so-called ‘ulema kiraam’ yet I feel sorry for that gentleman (who ever is chairman of RHC) — who is despised so vociferously by all and sundry, for no fault.
I can not believe that anybody, assigned with responsibility of moon sighting, can do some wrong, intentionally. But this of our “great nation” will never be satisfied. There is never dearth of Bashir Bilours. Did Mufti Muneeb ever ‘announced’ any directive regarding local government system, foreign policy or fiscal strategy? NEVER. So why such Bilours acquired role of MAMA (maternal uncle) of moon sighting issue?
Big grammatical mistake: In 3rd last line of my comments, it should have been ….”…Did Mufti Muneeb ever ‘announce’ any directive regarding local government ….”
Many years of research into this matter, historically, modern differences in opinion, and various views, explanations accroding the traditions and Ahaddith, about sighting of moon I have come to this fair conclusion. This issue will not be resolved in near future. Everyone agrees to reach an agreement, but no one is strong enough to declare a Fatwa on it, and held responsible. So wait……..
There are four occasions that are important as far as sighting of moon is concerned in Pakistan or else.
These are Muharram, Ramadan, Eid, zilhaj.
To cut short the issues, in fact, there are only two occasions Ramadan and Eid, which are more important as far as this controversy of sighting the moon has implementing contentions.
Even a critical overview and scrutinize opinion, would isolate and curtail the focus point of litigation in to one single cited compulsion as the Eid Moon.
It is this moon that has always been the subject of controversy in Pakistan among different sects and regions, especially NWFP.
In order to safely isolate the presiding flaws, that exist in a way as menace on the issue, one important factor that is the subject of this litigation is, this Committee for sighting moon, headed and powered under respective and respected Moulana muneeb sahib.
Subject scholars, being the focus point of controversy among different chair bearer of schools, have always been the element of disagreement by different ulema of madras’s and fiqah’s as school.
Astonishingly, the awarded chair as chairman and members has too many incentive based discretions that is the core issue of achieving the reign, so to disembark resident occupant.
It is this factor that has caused untoward behavior of unbecoming, thereby dictating the nuisance of litigating the issue if and when desired as necessary.
Although at a glance, subject committee has almost vocabulary of different ulema from variant sects and fiqah’s but,
“Dummy always dumps money always plums” (Dr Raza)
Although single point agenda and one point solution after every said event has always been the chapter as controversy and strict observation as criticism, over respective and respected scholar but his deterrence on the issue is always remarkable
“You feed only what you are fed” (Dr Raza)
However, issue always rest in peace after every rape, till to become fate again on centenary.
People need to understand that religious citations as obligations are to be bounded and cordoned religiously, without the element of fake gesticulations and notions as orders.
“Religion does not depend on science to prove its sanctity and concept but infact science route its direction towards and through the expressed conceptual slogan, otherwise”. (Dr Raza)
Suspicion, is an action that warns and plead to alert (Dr Raza)
But inspite of our reservation and suspicion, we grant, benefit of doubt, thereby release the will to rectify the root cause.
Apart from the issue of contemplary proceeding, conventional mode to sight the moon vide telescope and high-rise buildings, is now an obsolete version of discovery.
Astonishingly, by law of nature and clinical sciences, no body within the premises of the age of these stake holders can claim their vision as mature and normal as the one half of their ages.
Similarly recent advances over meteorological expertise has infact vanished the concept of delayed info as arrival and I very well remember in 1990 ,when I was in Chicago ,I had an experience to hear as info necessary issues with respect to heavy snow fall within sudden outset of weather .
To cut short as solution for reservation ,infact their exist no key to curtail and disembark the out rest of this controversy in Pakistan as the country is heavily corset by variant school of thoughts with diversified tie-ups with their scholars ,as and per their say .
The same will continue to perish, unless religious rudiments in the form of these scholars are kicked off from the procedure with strict implementation, which is again a separate chapter of verse.
“Ignorance as ornament and fanaticism as jewel is the cause of this continuous trait of misdeed and confusion”. (Dr Raza)
In my opinion “intellectual move is gate way to relief”. (Dr Raza)
We being nation are never in a habit to consult the expert of subject for the relief .infact from pin to pencil and head to toe, are all first of all drag in to a religious solution and if at all could not settle the issue ,we proceed at own, without considering the remedy.
Belief without practice is as equivalent to soldier without gun.
This is a field related job and we should obey the command of the expert on the issue and if at all we have a bit of suspicion, there is no harm to consult and rectify the issue through any international agency on meteorological subject. regards
“let the joker show his skill as he is the man of ring in circus”
Ok, if we abolish RHC and we start to follow KSA lunar calender with on day difference, mean one day after that calender.
A question arises, we know The Judgment Day will be on 10th of Muharram (as per my knowledge), would it be 10th of Muharram in KSA, Pakistan or anywhere in the world?
Farid! Technically speaking, we in Pakistan can not reach resilience opinion due to the facts of existing schools of fiqah’s and practices.
Under no circumstances of visionary slogan as unanimous approval of acceptance can be followed here or else being Muslim community, if we continue to perceive and weigh object of desire ,as per self laid principle of religious practices.
Why should we follow Saudi Arab, Iran, Iraq or Syria?
Are we citizen to the territory or we have some bondages by law and religion to follow.
Why can’t we follow intelligent and smart way of practice?
Although personally I don’t see any reserving attitude to the said suggestion of attachment on subject issue but still root cause would remain the same and controversy in the issue would and shall prevail as such.
The only option to the grievance, in my opinion is to merit the desire through expertise available as advancement.
Sighting of moon is not a matter of something that is out of bound of the territory of science as perhaps faith and virtual belief.
In order to comfort and make issue legitimate and authentic, only solution is to get it done by experts without any moral obligation of indulging scholars through traditional approach.
As to your inquisition regarding judgment day on 10nth Muharram, well! If you allow and award clemency from expelling me, outside the domain of Islam, I consider this a misnomer as till now I am unable to locate the day with regard to its importance except that after the martyr of Hazrat imam Hussein (A.S), the day is regarded as the most tragic day of Muslim history and is assumed to be the day as judgment day in the contextual term of great loss to Islam and humanity up till now and judgment day.
In my opinion perhaps it is this theme that is some how gained access among Muslims again in contextual comparison, while truth is
“Only he knows who decides” (Dr Raza)
Sir human being have natural tendency to isolate nature in their premises of likes and dislikes and rational and irrational ,some time in the name of social and at times as moral, and religious obligation and restrictions.
Do you think if Monday would have been declared as Sunday, the importance of Monday could be or shall be lessen?
When was first human created?
How does system of calendar entered in our life and living?
Does it affect some one fate if he dies on Sunday while some one born on Monday?
Shall he be in possession of wealth and reign or heaven?
Are sins conducted on Friday are excusable as Friday is an honorable day among Muslim?
Things are never like as we perceive?
“Justification is the only solution for excuse” (Dr Raza)
Regards
One more thing Farid, if I assumed Judgment day on 10 muharram as per your version, approximately we are safe for another 3 month as Panorama of day is less likely to come before ,and once if we would escape this upcoming 10nth muharram ,we would and shall be safe for another year till 10nth of muharram.
Don’t you think it is highly illogical and bias to our own sets of belief? Regards
Dr Sahib, set aside of your mind the date of 10th moharram, lets talk about the date of ‘Suhadaa’ of ‘Ghazwa-e-Badr’ or “Shahadat of Hazrat Umar” which lunar calender would be followed to observe these events. Like Saleem Khan said earlier. The point is why we don’t perform Hajj as per our lunar calender.