Comments on: Pakistan Under Musharraf : Government and Politics http://www.pakspectator.com/pakistan-under-musharraf-government-and-politics/ A Candid Blog Sat, 06 Sep 2008 03:35:41 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.2 By: Johann http://www.pakspectator.com/pakistan-under-musharraf-government-and-politics/#comment-23590 Johann Mon, 26 May 2008 04:59:15 +0000 http://www.pakspectator.com/pakistan-under-musharraf-government-and-politics/#comment-23590 Hi aftab, Agree to disagree. thanks Hi aftab,
Agree to disagree. thanks

]]> By: Aftab S. Alam http://www.pakspectator.com/pakistan-under-musharraf-government-and-politics/#comment-23547 Aftab S. Alam Mon, 26 May 2008 03:59:53 +0000 http://www.pakspectator.com/pakistan-under-musharraf-government-and-politics/#comment-23547 Johann, listen I feel pretty rotten about making you or at least sounding like you were responsible for my perception about the injustice metted out to my country and my people. Please, accept my personal apologies for causing this bad taste. I suppose we, you and I, both are victims of the sins of our national fathers'. Let me clarify I for one stand against all and any form of "Jehadism", I have been guilty of many crimes and sins in my life; however, I am grateful to my God in helping me stay pure from this menace. I suppose you have a right to be sceptical of the intentions of my "jihadis" and their designs about your country / motherland. It is nice to see that you care about your motherland especially when I am pained to witness absence of that care for our motherland by its children. In their anger about the politicians they seem to hurt ourselves. Again, sory for the offence. Sometimes one has that itch in the scars left by the deep wounds. Generally, I enjoy reading you and frankly have identical views like yourself. Johann, listen I feel pretty rotten about making you or at least sounding like you were responsible for my perception about the injustice metted out to my country and my people. Please, accept my personal apologies for causing this bad taste. I suppose we, you and I, both are victims of the sins of our national fathers’. Let me clarify I for one stand against all and any form of “Jehadism”, I have been guilty of many crimes and sins in my life; however, I am grateful to my God in helping me stay pure from this menace. I suppose you have a right to be sceptical of the intentions of my “jihadis” and their designs about your country / motherland. It is nice to see that you care about your motherland especially when I am pained to witness absence of that care for our motherland by its children. In their anger about the politicians they seem to hurt ourselves.

Again, sory for the offence. Sometimes one has that itch in the scars left by the deep wounds. Generally, I enjoy reading you and frankly have identical views like yourself.

]]> By: Johann http://www.pakspectator.com/pakistan-under-musharraf-government-and-politics/#comment-22471 Johann Sat, 24 May 2008 14:21:54 +0000 http://www.pakspectator.com/pakistan-under-musharraf-government-and-politics/#comment-22471 Hi Aftab, You forget to mention Bodo,kamatipur,Mizo,Tripura,Telengana, and the biggest of all them the naxalites.But when your jehadies kill innocent civilians , police constables etc in retaliation for the US predator bombing, then it concerns us because the same guys who have no stomach to face the facts and fight the REAL ENEMIES go about killing innoccent civilians(infidels according to them) in our land also. since 9/11/2001, not a single attack on american homeland by the socalled Jehadies of your motherland but will kill Pakistani civilians,constables and ofcourse infidels is fair game. I have been your enemy all along and so you cannot FACE FACTS just like those Jehadies. Hi Aftab,
You forget to mention Bodo,kamatipur,Mizo,Tripura,Telengana, and the biggest of all them the naxalites.But when your jehadies kill innocent civilians , police constables etc in retaliation for the US predator bombing, then it concerns us because the same guys who have no stomach to face the facts and fight the REAL ENEMIES go about killing innoccent civilians(infidels according to them) in our land also. since 9/11/2001, not a single attack on american homeland by the socalled Jehadies of your motherland but will kill Pakistani civilians,constables and ofcourse infidels is fair game. I have been your enemy all along and so you cannot FACE FACTS just like those Jehadies.

]]> By: Aftab S. Alam http://www.pakspectator.com/pakistan-under-musharraf-government-and-politics/#comment-21188 Aftab S. Alam Thu, 22 May 2008 16:13:12 +0000 http://www.pakspectator.com/pakistan-under-musharraf-government-and-politics/#comment-21188 In 1971 Indra Gandhi did that treacherous, infamous defence pact to get even with Pakistan which India did used successfully to its advantage causing disintegration of Pakistan. You say it was under Chinese ultimum, I wish that Chinese still hold that grufdge against you and in not so distant future get back to get even with you and let me assure you I will be live to rejoice that day when India is disgraced one more time like in 1962. Any Pakistani with a grain of love for his country would never ever forget the wound inflicted by the Indians, you have not become our enemy because of my inability to digest the so called "fact" you try to feed us yesterday. You ave been our enemy all along. Musharraf, PPP, and the Judges are our issues and don't strain your brain too much it might just burst. Just worry about your own issues, solve your own problems, there are too many fingers chasing you so watch out for your back. Just to name a few, Sikhs, Kashmir, Nagaland, the hatred between North and South India. Watch out. In 1971 Indra Gandhi did that treacherous, infamous defence pact to get even with Pakistan which India did used successfully to its advantage causing disintegration of Pakistan. You say it was under Chinese ultimum, I wish that Chinese still hold that grufdge against you and in not so distant future get back to get even with you and let me assure you I will be live to rejoice that day when India is disgraced one more time like in 1962. Any Pakistani with a grain of love for his country would never ever forget the wound inflicted by the Indians, you have not become our enemy because of my inability to digest the so called “fact” you try to feed us yesterday. You ave been our enemy all along.

Musharraf, PPP, and the Judges are our issues and don’t strain your brain too much it might just burst. Just worry about your own issues, solve your own problems, there are too many fingers chasing you so watch out for your back. Just to name a few, Sikhs, Kashmir, Nagaland, the hatred between North and South India. Watch out.

]]> By: Johann http://www.pakspectator.com/pakistan-under-musharraf-government-and-politics/#comment-21178 Johann Thu, 22 May 2008 13:44:27 +0000 http://www.pakspectator.com/pakistan-under-musharraf-government-and-politics/#comment-21178 Dear Aftab, I become an enemy because you cannot digest the fact that americans have paid $10 billion once you entered into war on terror and continue to do so with lot of conditions ofcourse. We defenitely enetred into Indo/soviet treaty in 1971 once chinese gave the ultimatum. Sir ask your conscience why Musharaff is not being removed? Why PPP is unable to reinstate the deposed judges? Who is behind them? Dear Aftab,
I become an enemy because you cannot digest the fact that americans have paid $10 billion once you entered into war on terror and continue to do so with lot of conditions ofcourse. We defenitely enetred into Indo/soviet treaty in 1971 once chinese gave the ultimatum.
Sir ask your conscience why Musharaff is not being removed? Why PPP is unable to reinstate the deposed judges? Who is behind them?

]]> By: Aftab S. Alam http://www.pakspectator.com/pakistan-under-musharraf-government-and-politics/#comment-21015 Aftab S. Alam Thu, 22 May 2008 06:05:27 +0000 http://www.pakspectator.com/pakistan-under-musharraf-government-and-politics/#comment-21015 Johann, what nonsense are you trying to insinuate. It is an insult to Pakistani nation and can only come from an enemy to make this ridiculous suggestion, "The army gets its pay from americans and so has to play their game from the days of SEATO/CENTO." Were your army on the payroll of USSR and your prime ministers their agents? You had a convenient defence pact for 20 years with the then USSR to bamboozle your neighbors. Come on man why don't you just buzz off with your cheeky little brain, we can sort out our differences without you mocking us Pakistanis. Johann, what nonsense are you trying to insinuate. It is an insult to Pakistani nation and can only come from an enemy to make this ridiculous suggestion, “The army gets its pay from americans and so has to play their game from the days of SEATO/CENTO.” Were your army on the payroll of USSR and your prime ministers their agents? You had a convenient defence pact for 20 years with the then USSR to bamboozle your neighbors. Come on man why don’t you just buzz off with your cheeky little brain, we can sort out our differences without you mocking us Pakistanis.

]]> By: Johann http://www.pakspectator.com/pakistan-under-musharraf-government-and-politics/#comment-21006 Johann Thu, 22 May 2008 05:55:01 +0000 http://www.pakspectator.com/pakistan-under-musharraf-government-and-politics/#comment-21006 A brilliant acccount by amicus. I wish he had the guts to reveal his identity. That is due to almost every Pakistani leader from the time of its independence met with violent death. What is the role of ARMY which is the crux of the problem which every ELECTED GOVERNMENT OF PAKISTAN is facing. The army gets its pay from americans and so has to play their game from the days of SEATO/CENTO. A brilliant acccount by amicus. I wish he had the guts to reveal his identity. That is due to almost every Pakistani leader from the time of its independence met with violent death.
What is the role of ARMY which is the crux of the problem which every ELECTED GOVERNMENT OF PAKISTAN is facing. The army gets its pay from americans and so has to play their game from the days of SEATO/CENTO.

]]> By: Dr Razahaider http://www.pakspectator.com/pakistan-under-musharraf-government-and-politics/#comment-19908 Dr Razahaider Tue, 20 May 2008 14:32:54 +0000 http://www.pakspectator.com/pakistan-under-musharraf-government-and-politics/#comment-19908 Nawaz Sharif panicked and ordered the diversion of the PIA plane, carrying General Musharraf, to some neighboring country even if it was to be India and subsequently, as a last resort, to Nawab Shah. The high drama continued for hours, for whole of the country and the world to watch. Besides, the Chief of the Army Staff, other officials, 200 odd passengers of a regular PIA flight from Colombo. All these precious lives were, knowingly put at peril of certain deaths. A situation was created where state institutions were put to work at cross purposes and a confrontation course. Nawaz Sharif had earlier sent President Mohammad Farooq Leghari, Chief Justice Sajjad Ali Shah and COAS General Jehangir Karamat home; and the Armed Forces rightly anticipated that he might attempt to remove General Pervez Musharaf any time. General Musharraf was not extravagant in framing charges against the Nawaz Sharif government. Nawaz Sharif’s rule was stained by massive corruption, financial mismanagement and an insatiable lust for power and self-aggrandizement. He had converted the Parliament into rubber-stamp, browbeaten the press (Jang group of newspapers-a case in point) and had not even spared the Supreme Court whose sanctity was blatantly violated through physical assault. By mid-November, it became apparent that banks and financial institutions had failed to make any appreciable recovery out of the total estimated amount of Rs. 356 billion payable by defaulters as on 12 October 1999. (This figure was cited by the Supreme Court in the Zafar Ali Shah case from a report of the Governor, State Bank of Pakistan.) i do not need more charges on sharif as evidence to frame him traitor.just one threat if mush could not make to land in pakistan ,the only option was to land in india and that would have been a disaster for pakistan.this is not just an idea to debate but a truth being army offr,on duty during that eventand time. Nawaz Sharif panicked and ordered the diversion of the PIA plane, carrying General Musharraf, to some neighboring country even if it was to be India and subsequently, as a last resort, to Nawab Shah.

The high drama continued for hours, for whole of the country and the world to watch. Besides, the Chief of the Army Staff, other officials, 200 odd passengers of a regular PIA flight from Colombo. All these precious lives were, knowingly put at peril of certain deaths. A situation was created where state institutions were put to work at cross purposes and a confrontation course.

Nawaz Sharif had earlier sent President Mohammad Farooq Leghari, Chief Justice Sajjad Ali Shah and COAS General Jehangir Karamat home; and the Armed Forces rightly anticipated that he might attempt to remove General Pervez Musharaf any time.

General Musharraf was not extravagant in framing charges against the Nawaz Sharif government. Nawaz Sharif’s rule was stained by massive corruption, financial mismanagement and an insatiable lust for power and self-aggrandizement. He had converted the Parliament into rubber-stamp, browbeaten the press (Jang group of newspapers-a case in point) and had not even spared the Supreme Court whose sanctity was blatantly violated through physical assault.

By mid-November, it became apparent that banks and financial institutions had failed to make any appreciable recovery out of the total estimated amount of Rs. 356 billion payable by defaulters as on 12 October 1999. (This figure was cited by the Supreme Court in the Zafar Ali Shah case from a report of the Governor, State Bank of Pakistan.)

i do not need more charges on sharif as evidence to frame him traitor.just one threat if mush could not make to land in pakistan ,the only option was to land in india and that would have been a disaster for pakistan.this is not just an idea to debate but a truth being army offr,on duty during that eventand time.

]]> By: Saleem Khan http://www.pakspectator.com/pakistan-under-musharraf-government-and-politics/#comment-19875 Saleem Khan Tue, 20 May 2008 09:52:17 +0000 http://www.pakspectator.com/pakistan-under-musharraf-government-and-politics/#comment-19875 yeah... you are right. and lots more. yeah… you are right. and lots more.

]]> By: Farid Masood http://www.pakspectator.com/pakistan-under-musharraf-government-and-politics/#comment-19873 Farid Masood Tue, 20 May 2008 09:34:28 +0000 http://www.pakspectator.com/pakistan-under-musharraf-government-and-politics/#comment-19873 Saleem Khan "Ensure swift and across the board accountability" No one is accountable for the following breaches: 1. Sugar Scam 2. Land Mafia 3. Destroying local institutions on foreign dictations 4. Un-accounted Inflow of foreign reservse in so called war on terror 5. Amending laws and by laws to suit one's position 6. much more Saleem Khan

“Ensure swift and across the board accountability”

No one is accountable for the following breaches:

1. Sugar Scam
2. Land Mafia
3. Destroying local institutions on foreign dictations
4. Un-accounted Inflow of foreign reservse in so called war on terror
5. Amending laws and by laws to suit one’s position
6. much more

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