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	<title>Comments on: Pakistan Army : We Stand With You</title>
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		<title>By: Demolishing couple of planes would do a loads of good to calm the itchy and aggressive nerves of the US &#171; Civilian Irregular Information Defense Group</title>
		<link>http://www.pakspectator.com/pakistan-army-we-stand-with-you/#comment-71039</link>
		<dc:creator>Demolishing couple of planes would do a loads of good to calm the itchy and aggressive nerves of the US &#171; Civilian Irregular Information Defense Group</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 06:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of good to calm the itchy and aggressive nerves of the&#160;US    So says Brigadier Zaman, over at The Pakistani Spectator, a Pakistani blog written in English which interviewed Gerald of Internet Anthropologist Think [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] of good to calm the itchy and aggressive nerves of the&nbsp;US    So says Brigadier Zaman, over at The Pakistani Spectator, a Pakistani blog written in English which interviewed Gerald of Internet Anthropologist Think [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Papa Ray</title>
		<link>http://www.pakspectator.com/pakistan-army-we-stand-with-you/#comment-71005</link>
		<dc:creator>Papa Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 05:08:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.pakspectator.com/pakistan-army-we-stand-with-you/#comment-71005</guid>
		<description>"then how can you start granting such an status to those who are self declared and confessed and proved “coalition” of millitants. In my opinion, all such mutineers must first accept the State as the superior force (the one with legal and moral authority) in the affirs of this country."

There can be no militas that do not accept and obey the State, Otherwise you do not have a "State", only a collection of people who don't obey the law of the State. So when you have some of this collection, these tribes, these milita who not only break the law in your Country, but carry their murder and terror to your neighbors, that is a situation that will not hold. Will not stand. You as a Nation must control your citizens. YOU are responsible for them and their actions. YOU must disband them or convince them through punishment that they must obey the laws not only of your Nation but obey the laws of God. Killing and Murder of citizens, women anc children, innocents is against God's Laws, no matter which god you beieve in.

The U.S. has tried to stay out of your country except for advisors, but you continue to want to do nothing but talk and make deals with your mis-behaving citizens. You military is seemly unable to defeat these tribes. Call them what ever name you want. Your military and Intell. Services seem either to run, get captured, or sometimes seem to be working directly with those that you can't control. 

That is how it looks to the rest of the world.

If you think that the U.S. is just going to get tired and go home and that one by one the NATO forces will leave. Well, just keep on thinking that if you wish. But it is not going to happen. Especially the U.S. They have seen that with very few of their military killed and wounded that they could kill and pacify the factions and al Quata in Iraq, and no matter how many democrats in America cried surrender, they went on to victory. It cost more money than it did lives. 

Is that what Pakistan is holding out for? More Money? If the U.S. or the E.U. gives you more money will you kick out the Arabs and pacify your warring tribes and leave the Afghan alone...?

I don't think that is the answer. I think the answer is that you can not do anything about your tribes, that you can't prevent them from killing whoever they please, where ever they please. 

Well, that must change soon. Because the U.S. is not going to just allow your Nation to be a safe haven for those that murder and only live to die fighting against anyone who is not of them.

That is not Nationalism, that is terrorism and stupid at that.

Papa Ray</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;then how can you start granting such an status to those who are self declared and confessed and proved “coalition” of millitants. In my opinion, all such mutineers must first accept the State as the superior force (the one with legal and moral authority) in the affirs of this country.&#8221;</p>
<p>There can be no militas that do not accept and obey the State, Otherwise you do not have a &#8220;State&#8221;, only a collection of people who don&#8217;t obey the law of the State. So when you have some of this collection, these tribes, these milita who not only break the law in your Country, but carry their murder and terror to your neighbors, that is a situation that will not hold. Will not stand. You as a Nation must control your citizens. YOU are responsible for them and their actions. YOU must disband them or convince them through punishment that they must obey the laws not only of your Nation but obey the laws of God. Killing and Murder of citizens, women anc children, innocents is against God&#8217;s Laws, no matter which god you beieve in.</p>
<p>The U.S. has tried to stay out of your country except for advisors, but you continue to want to do nothing but talk and make deals with your mis-behaving citizens. You military is seemly unable to defeat these tribes. Call them what ever name you want. Your military and Intell. Services seem either to run, get captured, or sometimes seem to be working directly with those that you can&#8217;t control. </p>
<p>That is how it looks to the rest of the world.</p>
<p>If you think that the U.S. is just going to get tired and go home and that one by one the NATO forces will leave. Well, just keep on thinking that if you wish. But it is not going to happen. Especially the U.S. They have seen that with very few of their military killed and wounded that they could kill and pacify the factions and al Quata in Iraq, and no matter how many democrats in America cried surrender, they went on to victory. It cost more money than it did lives. </p>
<p>Is that what Pakistan is holding out for? More Money? If the U.S. or the E.U. gives you more money will you kick out the Arabs and pacify your warring tribes and leave the Afghan alone&#8230;?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think that is the answer. I think the answer is that you can not do anything about your tribes, that you can&#8217;t prevent them from killing whoever they please, where ever they please. </p>
<p>Well, that must change soon. Because the U.S. is not going to just allow your Nation to be a safe haven for those that murder and only live to die fighting against anyone who is not of them.</p>
<p>That is not Nationalism, that is terrorism and stupid at that.</p>
<p>Papa Ray</p>
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		<title>By: Saeed Khan</title>
		<link>http://www.pakspectator.com/pakistan-army-we-stand-with-you/#comment-64034</link>
		<dc:creator>Saeed Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:19:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Done</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Done</p>
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		<title>By: some thing alien</title>
		<link>http://www.pakspectator.com/pakistan-army-we-stand-with-you/#comment-60534</link>
		<dc:creator>some thing alien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 04:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wish fool thinking</description>
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		<title>By: Aftab S. Alam</title>
		<link>http://www.pakspectator.com/pakistan-army-we-stand-with-you/#comment-59044</link>
		<dc:creator>Aftab S. Alam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 08:18:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.pakspectator.com/pakistan-army-we-stand-with-you/#comment-59044</guid>
		<description>CORRECTION: Please, read above : You see, .......compare to a person of your STATURE and experience in such matters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CORRECTION: Please, read above : You see, &#8230;&#8230;.compare to a person of your STATURE and experience in such matters.</p>
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		<title>By: Aftab S. Alam</title>
		<link>http://www.pakspectator.com/pakistan-army-we-stand-with-you/#comment-58903</link>
		<dc:creator>Aftab S. Alam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 05:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brig. Zaman Sahab, Bhai! that's the main issue here. Taliban must realize or must be made to see the reallity as it is. Yes, indeed, as you narrate from your first hand experience that government is not visible there and seems to have diminished its authority and power. You are right here also that it is our fault. What makes me angry and despair is this situation; and that's where I have often been less than civil in retorting your stand. For some reason I am, sadly, of the opinion that you and many in your position have contributed to this situation by your statements in the past. You see, when someone like me says something regarding our military and its (lets call it) shortcomings, it carries lot less weight as compare to a person of your sature and experience in such matters. After all, it takes lots of talents to make it it to a rank of a Brigadier and it is no mean a position to sneeze at. When you comment on our military it is from a man of knowledge and must be heeded and people do take notice including the millitants and anti state elements and fell tempted to test our resolve.

Treating a part of your country as "Illaqa Ghair" has always been an enigma to my limited sense of nationhood. I do consider it a big mistake by our fathers; seems as if fathers' sins are coming to haunt us. 

Your are kind and generous and do forgive my harsh language targetting your person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brig. Zaman Sahab, Bhai! that&#8217;s the main issue here. Taliban must realize or must be made to see the reallity as it is. Yes, indeed, as you narrate from your first hand experience that government is not visible there and seems to have diminished its authority and power. You are right here also that it is our fault. What makes me angry and despair is this situation; and that&#8217;s where I have often been less than civil in retorting your stand. For some reason I am, sadly, of the opinion that you and many in your position have contributed to this situation by your statements in the past. You see, when someone like me says something regarding our military and its (lets call it) shortcomings, it carries lot less weight as compare to a person of your sature and experience in such matters. After all, it takes lots of talents to make it it to a rank of a Brigadier and it is no mean a position to sneeze at. When you comment on our military it is from a man of knowledge and must be heeded and people do take notice including the millitants and anti state elements and fell tempted to test our resolve.</p>
<p>Treating a part of your country as &#8220;Illaqa Ghair&#8221; has always been an enigma to my limited sense of nationhood. I do consider it a big mistake by our fathers; seems as if fathers&#8217; sins are coming to haunt us. </p>
<p>Your are kind and generous and do forgive my harsh language targetting your person.</p>
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		<title>By: Saleem Khan</title>
		<link>http://www.pakspectator.com/pakistan-army-we-stand-with-you/#comment-58280</link>
		<dc:creator>Saleem Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 11:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.pakspectator.com/pakistan-army-we-stand-with-you/#comment-58280</guid>
		<description>Mr. Johann,

You seems unaware of real plans behind this so called war against terrorism. Do you think that they have cleaned whole Afghanistan from these Al Qaida or Talibans? If not then they should first clean Afghanistan and then think about Pakistan. If they have given responsibility to Pakistan Army then let them do their work. 

Their urgency to attack inside Pakistan shows that their target is some thing else. Not Taliban or Al Qaida. Do you think that Indians, Israelis, Afghanis etc are sincere to Pakistan. They are trying to raise excuses so USA/NATO can proceed with Attack on Pakistan. Tajick Afghanis are not sincere with Pakistan since first day and this bloody chap "Karazi" is one of them. He don't have even courage to come out of Kabul but threatening Pakistan. "Yeh Piddi aur Piddi ka shorba". Pakistan is not a candy that any country will eat it in a minute. Pakistan if has survived in front of such a big country then it can survive in future also. It will remain a wish for our enemies only.

I tell you, I visited these FATA areas many times and never found any problem from their side. Taliban and FATA are entirely different things. Taliban is mostly present in Int'l Media instead of in FATA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Johann,</p>
<p>You seems unaware of real plans behind this so called war against terrorism. Do you think that they have cleaned whole Afghanistan from these Al Qaida or Talibans? If not then they should first clean Afghanistan and then think about Pakistan. If they have given responsibility to Pakistan Army then let them do their work. </p>
<p>Their urgency to attack inside Pakistan shows that their target is some thing else. Not Taliban or Al Qaida. Do you think that Indians, Israelis, Afghanis etc are sincere to Pakistan. They are trying to raise excuses so USA/NATO can proceed with Attack on Pakistan. Tajick Afghanis are not sincere with Pakistan since first day and this bloody chap &#8220;Karazi&#8221; is one of them. He don&#8217;t have even courage to come out of Kabul but threatening Pakistan. &#8220;Yeh Piddi aur Piddi ka shorba&#8221;. Pakistan is not a candy that any country will eat it in a minute. Pakistan if has survived in front of such a big country then it can survive in future also. It will remain a wish for our enemies only.</p>
<p>I tell you, I visited these FATA areas many times and never found any problem from their side. Taliban and FATA are entirely different things. Taliban is mostly present in Int&#8217;l Media instead of in FATA.</p>
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		<title>By: Johann</title>
		<link>http://www.pakspectator.com/pakistan-army-we-stand-with-you/#comment-58254</link>
		<dc:creator>Johann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 10:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So many patriots ready to die for your country.Please see and visit Saudi arabia and Dubai and Kuwait(after war) and can anyone in pakistan from Islamabad, or karachi ,lahore can visit FATA or Swat or south wazirstan in peace? Somany Taliban died for liberating Afghanistan from russia, now they are liberating it from USA. Atleast Taliban are honest to their ideology and have been fighting socalled infidels,idol worshippers and even idols like bamiyan Budhdhas. pakistanies continue to get dollars from USA for Pakistan army but will sabotage its operations in afghanistan.What logic is it? The Afghan taliban and Pakistan taliban are same and so allow them to kill americans but let american donot retaliate inside pakistan but kill only in Afghanistan.What is this logic?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So many patriots ready to die for your country.Please see and visit Saudi arabia and Dubai and Kuwait(after war) and can anyone in pakistan from Islamabad, or karachi ,lahore can visit FATA or Swat or south wazirstan in peace? Somany Taliban died for liberating Afghanistan from russia, now they are liberating it from USA. Atleast Taliban are honest to their ideology and have been fighting socalled infidels,idol worshippers and even idols like bamiyan Budhdhas. pakistanies continue to get dollars from USA for Pakistan army but will sabotage its operations in afghanistan.What logic is it? The Afghan taliban and Pakistan taliban are same and so allow them to kill americans but let american donot retaliate inside pakistan but kill only in Afghanistan.What is this logic?</p>
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		<title>By: Malik</title>
		<link>http://www.pakspectator.com/pakistan-army-we-stand-with-you/#comment-58178</link>
		<dc:creator>Malik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 07:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Using Taliban against U.S.A by PAKISTAN will be equal to using TALIBAN against Russia and of course will lead to similar situation and will strengthen Taliban hold in those regions and may be further....Does govt. has any clear strategy about Talibans? How strange that each time they occupy some Police Station and Govt has nothing to do but dialogue to get back its hold..What is this?? U.S.A attacks on FATA are not that important as Govt's hold of this region...We can fight back U.S.A but not these Talibans because they have nothing but to start suicide attacks in other areas of PAKISTAN..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Using Taliban against U.S.A by PAKISTAN will be equal to using TALIBAN against Russia and of course will lead to similar situation and will strengthen Taliban hold in those regions and may be further&#8230;.Does govt. has any clear strategy about Talibans? How strange that each time they occupy some Police Station and Govt has nothing to do but dialogue to get back its hold..What is this?? U.S.A attacks on FATA are not that important as Govt&#8217;s hold of this region&#8230;We can fight back U.S.A but not these Talibans because they have nothing but to start suicide attacks in other areas of PAKISTAN..</p>
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		<title>By: Brig (r) Junaid Zaman</title>
		<link>http://www.pakspectator.com/pakistan-army-we-stand-with-you/#comment-58168</link>
		<dc:creator>Brig (r) Junaid Zaman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 07:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.pakspectator.com/pakistan-army-we-stand-with-you/#comment-58168</guid>
		<description>Respected Aftab, sure no hard feelings. If somebody is kind enough to spend his/her precious time reading my humble words, then he has every right to say whatever he/she feels about it. 

Taliban believe that they are equal to the state, and I have been to all of seven agencies in the last couple of months, and I can tell you that their is no government there, and in those agencies our Pakistani government is not equal to the Taliban "government", and it's also the fault of ours, as we always considered the area "Ilaqa Ghair".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Respected Aftab, sure no hard feelings. If somebody is kind enough to spend his/her precious time reading my humble words, then he has every right to say whatever he/she feels about it. </p>
<p>Taliban believe that they are equal to the state, and I have been to all of seven agencies in the last couple of months, and I can tell you that their is no government there, and in those agencies our Pakistani government is not equal to the Taliban &#8220;government&#8221;, and it&#8217;s also the fault of ours, as we always considered the area &#8220;Ilaqa Ghair&#8221;.</p>
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