Pakistan Army isn’t wearing Bangles
By Brig. (r) Junaid Zaman • Jun 12th, 2008 • Category: Politics, Worth A Second Look • 39 Comments •As many as eleven security forces personnel including one officer embraced martyrdom when a border check post of Frontier Corps at Gora Prai in Mohmand Agency was destroyed by the coward NATO Forces in Afghanistan through aerial attack. Along with these eleven security forces personnel, more than 25 civilians have also died in the dastardly attack.
The attack of NATO forces is yet another grim reminder of the high-handedness of the NATO forces, and the revealing reality of their increasing shameless bloody and unprovoked military activities in the Pakistani areas are another reminder of how we are loosing our sovereignty.
This is what you get when you sell you motherland just after a phone call (some now say that the notorious night time telephone call was never made from US t Musharraf, and Musharraf acted at his own to the gleeful astonishment of the US). This is what you get when you sell you own citizen for $5000 each. This is what you get when you wholly depends upon the donations, aids and the salaries from the United States or other donor countries.
But the brave soldiers of the Pakistan Army know how to retaliate. These are the soldiers who are moulded into the cast iron, and their chests are enlightened with the power of faith and the belief in themselves. These are the soldiers who can put the tails of NATO idiots where it belongs. Not every soldier of our Army is like Musharraf.
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I think the army should have retaliated at the time it came under attack. It was a clear attack on the Pak army and no one else. It was an ariel attack and was pre-planned with clear targets.
How “nice” !
+1 to the post caption. Once again US has made it clear that it shakes hands for its own cause. This incident should make our government see the ugly face behind the mask.
* A man; may he be from any age, century, trail or creed!
* When ever he has risen; he rose to the call of his inner self; his inner conscious.
Obbaidullah Aleem (translation)
Brig. (r) Junaid Zaman bara Brig lagai phirtay ho, tum ne konsa teer mara hai mulk k liya. tax per ayyashi he ki hai
Just listen the comments of our Defense Minister Mr Ahmad Mukhtar about the attack, He has proved to be a shameless person, May be all Gujratian Politicians are
Yes our sepoy is more than a marine, just give them a go ahead and watch
Although the attack is no doubt a cowardly act, but problem with this enemy under cover of friend is that they will always react in the same manner .These NATO forces are not like our traditional enemy India who are on the same and similar principle of demarcating boundaries of respective areas obeying their ethics and etiquettes of border forces as rival countries, but a bunch of illegitimate forces discarded by their countries of existence to be given to the so called watch dog of the world in lieu of few dollars. Since, these forces have neither traditional etiquettes nor ethics, whereas the turn out as soldier is also compromised by technology therefore valor to participate as men is a natural deficient tendency relying principally on technology based instruction.
Similar unawareness in on ground realities is also a factor along with, climatic and environmental, and disciplinary modalities as moral values and above all rivalry as Muslim which is the root cause and principle of retaliation that is being cashed, in lieu.
In my opinion, this active border of Afghanistan was declared a full fledge activity zone of Pakistan forces few years back, as we have declared zone in Kashmir and else where.
This is right time, if not exercised as yet to declare the zone as similar sibling like Kashmir and deployment and preparation as regard to detailing regular forces in the zone with all regular emoluments as artillery and similar essentialities, with proper vigilance and control over move of civilian as primary requirement of visa and passport. It is a difficult area to be monitored by paramilitary forces under the command of a major general only.
People like commentator no 5 ,should not be responded by any one but should be checked and watched as he has the tendency to sell his motherland,which is evident in his speech.it is theses element that are being utilized as espionage.
Six foreigners have been apprehended on Pak-Afghan border Torkhum here on Thursday.
According to the sources, the arrested foreigners belonged to Nepal. Pakistan border security forces arrested them on suspicion of illegal entry in Pakistan.
They have been kept imprisoned in Landi Kotal jail while the investigative agencies are conducting investigation on the documents and luggage recovered from them.
Who can send people from Nepal??? RAW or CIA or NATO. You also know and I also know. We must sit and think about it. By just pretending SUB ACHA HAI…can’t solve problems. Pakistan is compromising a lot lot than any other country for this so called terrorism… but keep in mind…some time bending so much can injure/break your backbone too. We have reached that stage now so its time to wake up and tackle situation accordingly. All military forces should sit together and Army should play pivotal role to increase confidence of PAF and NAVY to defend country. Till to date, Army is not showing serious attitude to get unite and get services from PAF in this regard. They are trying to be champion but it won’t work. Air strikes can’t be stopped by one AIR DEFENSE UNIT of ARMY… they need PAF full services for defending in true manner. We have equipments and every thing. I tell you…FATA people are very loving. even today if you will ask them for their help. they will defend Pakistan too. But if Pakistan will try to dodge them then we can’t call for mercy. We need unity to save our country from foreign attacks. Otherwise tomorrow they can throw bombs on our Army Units in Peshawar too.
Aasteen Ka Saamp…. Zameen K Saamp say ziada dangerous hota hai… We are growing NATO as Aasteen ka Saamp.
Oh Brigadier don’t you try and give us the usual soldier pep talk. We are not your recruits. How on earth can you fool anyone with your rhetoric about the soldiers and their moulds of cast iron.
And Pakistan is unfortunately infested with this variety of snakes the “Aasteen Ka Saamp”.
Why all these army people, after retirement, come out with such statements?
During service they enjoy all perks and positions.
Our ‘brave’ army has conquered Pakistan so many times, just to prove its bravery.
Stupid generals, corrupt officers and hapless sepoys.
It is an army more interested in business and real estate than in defending our borders.
Our own paid chowkidars are showing us their guns, instead of defending the house.
It is an army more interested in getting budgets and aid rather than developing professionalism.
These army officers are more interested in getting lucrative civilian positions during and after retirement than in serving the country.
These army officers are simply corrupt and inefficient and a burden upon our nation.
Dear “Rem. Gen.’Tiger’”, please be a little kind and considerate. Please do not condemn the whole institution so brutally, they are our soldiers and officers (our brothers and our sons) and we have created this institution at a great opportunity cost; you don’t just destroy what you build over a lifetime. Yes, indeed mistakes have been made and must be corrected, but not by total demolition of an institution.
Respects.
HATS OFF.Glad to know that atleast there is someone to defend the Pak Army.
Mr Junaid Zamman: What could have… you… ‘Done’ if you were in President Pervez Musharraf position confronted with a proposition of US, after 9/11 incident, alleging Pakistan playing a part in that attempt and the known onslaught of furious Exterminator who could send you down to stone age easily; giving you option; either you are with us or against us?
I don’t think; you could have fired a single shot… back… of even a rifle.
For last few months; we have received numerous Drone guided rocket attacks inside Pakistani Territory. Have we been able to engage or take down even a single drone or have fired back a single shot? No; because, we can’t afford to do that!
Lately in a drone attack our known military post was attacked; many killed and many are left maimed. US claim it to be a legitimate attack. Have we done any thing else other than lodging a protest?
Please don’t call NATO forces coward! They are exercising their upper hand; not us!
The people who have always opted to work as proxy for paltry rewards; may not have a choice to dither in their duty? All the proxies, may they be a country or an authoritarian; they know their fate; nothing else but a stark humiliation at the end!
Export of terrorism is some how our opted choice and profession; we have exported it a lot and been rewarded down to even Maulvi of any Madrassa level, involved in it. Now it is only that; chickens come home to roost. You may not escape!
What ever you do; what ever you say; then those very deeds and utterings, come back to haunt you.
[adami jo karta hae; admi jo kehta haey; pher who….]
Every single comment has missed the obvious. If somebody attacks you, you have the right to defend - period. The real question is what were the Pakistani soldiers doing to so close to the group that attacked Afghan and NATO forces? Why didn’t they prevent the Taliban from going across the border? Isn’t this what Pakistan committed to doing and collected billions for it?
What Pakistan does is to engage in the most dishonest and blatant manipulation. First, support the Taliban only to allow NATO to use their territory so they can be driven out. Now it is back to supporting them to prevent the development of Afghanistan. It doesn’t appear that there is a civil society in Pakistan that requires integrity from their own leadership. A dishonest people who simply can’t see or appreciate another point of view are doomed to a corrupt leadership that destroys them.
Tim,
My question is, what are NATO and Afghan forces doing, using trillions of dollars, to prevent Taliban from:
1) in the first instance, attacking them;
2) going back to Pakistani territory after attacks
And for your kind information, Bush administration is the most dishonest government on earth and the people who follow and support Bush are equally dishonest. They have found nothing in Iraq. The most blatant manipulation was when US and his allies claimed that Iraq had weapons of mass distruction. Shame on you, US and her allies. You people have done every act in Iraq that can be termed as the ‘Highest Level of Immoral Activities’ including but not limited to:
1) Killing innocent Iraqis directly
2) Supporting and providing weapons to different groups in Iraq so that they can kill innocent people
3) Rapes of innocent Iraqi children, girls and women
4) Grabing all the Oil resources and providing food which hardly kills the hunger prevailing in Iraqi society.
What else do you want from us?
I would like to tell you and anyone in your favour here that we Pakistanis do fight each other in normal circumstances but when any outsider poke his/her nose in our matters then we become one nation. So don’t finger us, otherwise we will insert everything in you. Thanks.
Well to be fair enough we went into the ditch by our self. whatever musharraf was doing has been taken up these fools in our government so where stands the difference than the americans the nato and every body else are targetting our sacred soil and they have some other appointments to engage in. we have lost more than 11 soldiers and our politicians have some other commitments to cater some body tell us what are they making out of us is this pakistan or masail istan yesterdays evil doer is todays hero and the hero is now zero god bless pakistan and may we get a better leader ship
Pakistani Army in those Areas has no ability to fire back an un manned Aircraft firing from a high altitude. Its all BS, I see people are praising Pakistani Military for its “professional-ism”, they are not better then others, and they are humans like all others and in a war you get set backs and thats what happend with them.
Its although high time for Pakistani Military to take some good action against the main problem of the Area and that is Taliban, they militants are the main source of trouble, both for Pakistan and Afghanistan. Untill and unless some one do something, and remove those militants from these areas, you will get these sorts of attack, either friendly or enemy fired !!
Pak Army is watching the NATO and theier consipirency in the region. Pak Army has the ability to do against them but its requried the best time for that. Inshallah US and NATO ally will break out from Pak Army as was happened with Russian in 80’s. Last 1.5 years ISI, RAW, MOSSAD have been planning to toppple Pak Army and Mushrraff but no avail , As Pakistan took U-turn in 2001 so its needs to be taken again U-turn because US ally has been capactured in Afghanistan.
I remember Pervaiz also used THIS CHORIAN NAHIN PAHAN RAKHIN. I find it poor taste for using this mahawara ASSOCIATED FOR PAKISTANI ARMY in any reference. Oh allah give us wisdom
Please remove this word BANGLES from discussion Line
I love my Army.
PAKISTAN ARMY is considered as BEST OF THE BEST Fighting Force in the world. No country, including India has any plan to confront, or attack Pakistan ever. It was always Pakistan Foolishness, or PANGA got them involed in a war, Pakistan was never ready to fight over a long period of time, and often quit prematurely. In East Pakistan, our Politician decided to loose it, and blamed India. They wanted to get rid of East Pakistan anyway. In Kashmir if not quick Victory, then why fight with India, SO CEASE FIRE. But if a war ever imposed on Pakistan, which endanger the existance of country. Pakistan army is capable of responding with full force in a way , will change the world forever. THIS IS NOT A JOKE. Since this is not a joke, I pray Pakistan never face this situation, or even think about it. PEACE MAAAN
I am Saeed Khan, from Toronto Canada . I love PAKISTAN, India, USA, and CANADA ( My Sweet Home ) and rest of the World. SOUNDS LITTLE CRAZY, SO IT BE. TIME WILL PROVE I AM RIGHT
HELLO PAKISTAN THE TRUTH IS BITTER, and bites too.
Almost 60 year ago, USA started to help build Pakistan Army, to protect its intrest, and, stop and protect the spread of communism. In 1965 war with India, USA was upset with Pakistan, for using American war mashines, against India, provided only against communism. Ayub Khan cried in a book named Friends Not Masters. He was Politically unawre there are no permanent friends or enimies in International Foreign Affairs. Its always like bussiness deals.
Though Pakistan turned to China, after that, partially, but continued with USA for aid. China could not afford. 1971 America saved West Pakistan, by warnning India to stop. not only as Pakistan friendship, but its own interest. to maintain its superpower status.
USA again helped to build, and finanaced Pakistan Army, ISI with more than 50 Billion dollars during Soviet Unnion invasion of Afghnistan. After wining yhe war, Job well done Pakistan, Afghnistan is yours as a reward Bye bi. Sadly we messed up in Afghanistan .It fired back leaving Pakistan, Afghanistan USA and Europe wounded and bleeding.
Pakistan is again hired as usual to help end this danger. We dont have a choice, and never had one. Pakistan army once again finnaced, equiped, trained, supported by our one of greatest friend United States of America, as usual. Pakistan Army, and USA are serving each other as THE BEST POSSIBLE FRIEND. As long as they need each other LONG LIVE USA_PAKISTAN FRIENDSHIP. SO STOP HATING,COMPLAING AND FEERING USA….
Hello
n the situation as it is developing in Jammu and Kashmir, nobody seems to be interested in the national interest and in protecting the lives, property and economic interests of its citizens — whatever their religion. Partisan political interests have taken precedence over national interests.
Public opinion should force the government and the BJP to wake up and prevent a slide back to 1989. Otherwise, the Indian Mujahideen, whoever is behind it, and Pakistan’s Inter Services Intelligence will be having the last laugh.
B Raman
Let me start by Writing that I am very patriotic Pakistani. But We have to be realistic and honest in our endeavour to get our country to the destination we all know we belong.
To achieve those heights among the nations Pakistanis have to look deep and hard at themselves and their country and get rid of any corrupt and disruptive forces, with in the country first before embarking on other missions in foreign policy and specially when it comes to Issue of Kashmir and burning issue of Afghanistan at the moment.
Keeping on the topic, I know bravado and patriotic feelings are good traits but reality has to be taken into account honestly and seriously. When I see Pakistani paramilitary and soldiers on the Television screen in Tribal and NWFP area, they look like a rag tag army to me. Poorly equipped and badly trained. Please before thinking I have a bias or written something wrong, let me explain. We all see paras and soldiers with out body armour regularly in the area. This is height of foolishness and stupidity to deploy our brave soldiers in highly dangerous areas without out full body protection. This is specially very important when we know that the opponents are armed and trained by our enemies with only one intention; to weaken our resolve and country. Second thing I have noticed is that the way soldiers behave and their postures during either in guard duties or patrol. They look very relaxed and not alert at all, neither their formation seems very professional and efficient in the light of the fact that they have been target increasingly. Americans would never risk their soldiers like this in a million years, they will make sure as much as possible that positions are secured and during the patrol formation is such that the enemy does not penetrate deep and hard. I know they suffer casualties but their numbers and occurrences are far less then what Pakistani Army had been suffering lately due to unprofessionalism and poor body armour given the soldiers.
So do Pakistan Army ” RAG TAG ARMY ”
Pakistani enimal Skunk says:
Let me start by Writing that I am very patriotic Pakistani.
” They look like a rag tag army to me. Poorly equipped and badly trained. Please before thinking I have a bias or written something wrong, let me explain. We all see paras and soldiers with out body armour regularly in the area.”
Thanx Pakistani Patriot SKUNK
SKUNKS are mammals best known for their ability to excrete a strong, foul-smelling odor, from:
ANAL scent glands
The notorious feature of skunks is their anal scent glands, which they can use as a defensive weapon. Skunks have two glands, one on either side of the anus, that produce a mixture of sulfur-containing chemicals (methyl and butyl thiols (mercaptans)) that has a highly offensive smell that can be described as a combination of the odors of rotten eggs, garlic and burnt rubber. The odor of the fluid is strong enough to ward off bears and other potential attackers, and can be difficult to remove from clothing. Muscles located next to the scent glands allow them to spray with high accuracy as far as 2 to 5 metres (7 to 15 ft). The smell aside, the spray can cause irritation and even temporary blindness, and is sufficiently powerful to be detected by even an insensitive human nose anywhere up to a mile downwind. Their chemical defense, though unusual, is effective.
All I have to say a skunk or pigs are are not Pakistani. and Pakistani soldiers are well equiped to blast
your anal glands, and their enimies.
and to 3-5 thousand of these soldiers have proved to angage 600000 success fully, for many years.
da article starts out by da author asserting with brand confidence that those paki soldiers became martyrs. how does he know??? did he receive a revelation from Allah saying they were martyrs??? im of paki origin myself, but lets b honest, all this bravado about pak soldiers being brave and called sycophantically “allah’s army” is just pure BS. some of them r indeed disciplined and very courageous but most of them r just ghandooz and launday baaz fucking each others bundz and raping innocent women in pakistani kashmir and baluchistan—most of them dont have any ballz 2 fight amerika i bet u—sure, they r good enough 2 kill their own ppl, such as as waziristan and that bloody colored mosque but thats about it.
Brigadier, truth be told army officers are nothing but a bunch of cowards. So please dont rant in front of us about your bravery or that of your kin. You officers are good at doing this BS. Those were poor no good soldiers who died there and officers like you like to build their own image over their dead bodies. You guys dont lose a drop of blood in a battle its the poor soldier who dies.
So stop giving us this crap about how good the army is just tell us how bad the officer group is. You guys are bunch of loosers… sore loosers who are costing my soldiers their dear precious lives.
MK
Do you realize what are you saying. I wonder what you expect from Armed Forces, conquer the world for you, defeat India or challenge NATO forces?
or may be you just want to send Commander in Cheif and Army Officers on front line to get killed first.
Army Officers face same threats as soldiers.If not sure leave US and just visit FATA area if you dare, just to have a feel, if you really do, please carry extra underwears and a kuffan handy.
You call Pakistan Army, your army.
If you are true to say it, than army officers are considered part of Pakistan Army. What ever you call them, or what ever they are, I love and respect MY Army, simply because it’s mine.
Falsely accusing Army is a brain child of sick minds.
Regards
Moral values of army has gone with winds .If you have time to sit in the company of higher officers you would find that they mostly talk on dhai files, property updates, construction trends or any money making business but you never ever found them in discusing national issues.Surely they still hate civillians who are cursing their mismangement but their all time focussed is how to occupy the land and resources of Pakistan.
Poor soldiers and middle rank offficers mostly belonging to backward areas are selected for war areas and all their sons, nephews are having lucrative assignments in army circles.In Ayub time mostly daughters of officers were seen in romance with their father’s ADCs so now they usually hire their sons or nephews as their ADC avoiding this problem.
Now come to latest postion of our army .We have been attacked on daily basis by NATO planes but no body has seen any existence of our airforce who always claim to be cover and protect our land with in six minutes of intrusions of aliens.So where go the credibility of our chiefs of army and airforces.Have they accepted the suprmacy of US on us so its better to sent them bangles with lot of cosmetic getup .This way they might look in their original shape.
Nazia
Aadab
Danishwaroun ki sohbat main I have learned some diplomacy, and give others benefit of doubt, does not mean I don’t understand. I have opportunity to sit down with retired Army officers here on regular basis.
They are our nation’s Mi Baap. No matter how cruel the parents are I do mind when children disrespect or swear at them.
Same thing with the entire Political and administrative system in Pakistan. We are unable to change it another several years. So try to be nice and make them believe, that knowing all their weaknesses, we still love you Mi Baap.
We are closer to our manzil. We should work harder thats all. humain apna kaam karna aur unhain apna
Hamara Allah aur Khalq e Khuda Janti hai aur deekh rahi hai. Wahan Deer hai Andheer nahin, aur uski lathi bay awaz hai, Majbour ki aah aur uskay sabar ka imtehaan Mehnga parta hai. and God”s help is near as promised in Quran.
Pakistan Painda Baad
nazia
and
Most of all I never give up struggle, but have learned ” to live and accept the things I have no power to change ” according to our teaching in Islam.
This current Chief of Air Staff bringed PAF level down to Army level also. Previously, PAF was much much better in terms of services and equipement and human resource. Even Air-Man was used to talk in English…because they maintained standard…
No all are at same level. Credit goes to Army and Mushi for all this.
In house sex cases in Army is much more than all over Pakistan sex cases. Only reason why it comes out is due to close environment and no body dares to publish such cases. Even Police is not accesible to Cantt areas for FIR. anyway our Army is Army of Real Estate dealers…and corruption. Maximum 5% Army officers are fair and on right track.
they are not as competent as the taliban may be in the hills, so they could not take hold over all