Sleeping With The Enemy
By A Khokar • Aug 30th, 2008 • Category: Politics, Worth A Second Look • 55 Comments •Part 1
India is a vast country and it is also the world’s biggest democracy. It happens to be the major emerging power in South Asia which lies in the heart of the eastern sphere. This country, for its progress and to keep its industrial wheel turning is in dire needs of mineral energy resources, especially the oil and gas. She is headlong and desperate to reach for the energy resources rich lands in Middle East and Central Asia. Unlike the western advanced countries and especially in case of sole super power; the United States of America that they are located some thousand of miles away from these treasure lands; for India these lands are located at just a stone throw distances. The West in order to keep the Middle East and Central Asian countries in their fold, keep on throwing the divisive webs of deceit, like of brinkmanship, oppression, subjugation and inhalation of the indigenous populace to meet their ends. But for India; geographically these treasure lands are just close by across Pakistan and to secure a safe corridor through Pakistan to connect other side and make a firm anchorage there is but natural.
India also considers this corridor to be vital for her that it forms an umbilical cord for the life line of Indian industries because of India’s peculiar inherent geographical drawbacks at home. India happens to be a physically locked country. On its North all along it is locked by the towering snow bound Himalayas. Where as, in the East, South and in the South-West, it is bounded by the vast deep Indian Ocean limiting its horizons all around. The only over land opening in the North-West toward the lucrative energy lands and offering a most convenient as well as a shortest possible over land route is through Pakistan.
The physical lay of Pakistan is just like an old tree trunk with its roots spread toward Arabian Sea in Indian Ocean and its long trunks extends to the North with its top branches reaching the highs of western Himalayas. Pakistan is a land sandwiched between India and Middle East. From western India to Iran, there is a distance of some 600 kilometres across its trunk. Pakistan predominantly a Muslim state is divided into four distinct ethnic sections; Pashtoon in the Northwest, with Punjabi in the East, Sindhis live in its south and vast barren lands of Baluchistan lies in the west. All four sections of area maintain their separate geographical identities. They are distinct in their own physical features, culture and form their separate provinces. Although national language of Pakistan is Urdu with official language as English but due low literacy rate all the province have their own four separate languages. Inter provincial marrying up of masses or intermingling of all the four identities is sadly minimal. Out of 600 kilometres over land route distance in its East from India to West toward Middle East, for about 400 kilometres of western span; there lies the barren and scarcely populated land of Baluchistan. This area has the least of infra structure developed except some good roads net work from east and south to west. Rest of about 200 kilometres of route is very well developed in shape of irrigated lands of Punjab. The immediate neighbour Iran is in due west and the high lands of Afghanistan in Northwest have about 500 and 1000 kilometre long borders respectively. The 1000 kilometres long border especially with Afghanistan is least controlled and is the most porous borders in the world.
About 96% of Pakistani population is Muslim, leading a moderate life style. Pakistanis are talented and hard working people. They are supposed to be the most peace loving nation but for the vicious designs of its eastern neighbour India, primarily to secure an Indian corridor through Pakistan; it usually remains simmering in anarchy and turmoil. This is a known fact that India wants to see Pakistan a weak, least resistant, subservient and a nation which be seen as in its utter disarray and open to exploitations.
Leaving aside the war on terror that after 9/11 incident, the Al Qaeda allegedly based in Afghanistan, close to Pak –Afghan borders were blamed for this attack and hence after US with the help of Pakistan is busy eliminating those forces. On other hands; the fact remains that India has since raised some six consulates in various cities right across Pak-Afghan borders in Afghanistan. India currently has an extensive diplomatic presence in Afghanistan to exploit the given situation. It includes the Indian embassy in Kabul and another four consulates in Kandahar, Jalalabad, Mazar-e-Sharif and Herat. These Indian diplomatic missions serve as launching pads for undertaking covert operations against Pakistan, from Afghan soil. Particularly, the Indian consulates in Kandahar and Jalalabad and their embassy in Kabul are used for clandestine, subversive activities inside Pakistan in general and the Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA) and Baluchistan in particular.
Indian diplomatic and RAW, the Indian intelligence organisation officials have significant ingress in the Afghan ministry of tribal affairs, and are exploiting it to conduct covert activities. Indian agents are instrumental in arranging meetings of tribal elders and Afghans with dual nationalities with Indian consulate officials in Jalalabad, and assisting them in spotting and recruiting suitable tribal elders from Jalalabad and Pakistan’s North and South Waziristan Agencies for covert activities.
RAW has established its training camps in Afghanistan in collaboration with the Northern Alliance remnants. Approximately 600 ferraris, or Baluchi tribal dissidents, were recently given specialized training to handle explosives, engineer bomb blasts, and use sophisticated weapons in these camps. India is gradually increasing the number of its paramilitary personnel in Afghanistan. It is stationing them there on the pretext of providing security and protection to the Border Roads Organization, which is constructing the Zaranj-Dilaram road, and its consulates which even include the Indian Black Cat Commandos.
In pursuance of the vicious designs that India want to see a weaker, subservient Pakistan; she is all out on a subversive war to induce a separatist movement in Baluchistan. India is also paying heftily to the tribal leaders in FATA and back up the Pakistani Taliban with sophisticated weapons, surveillance equipment and money to create anarchy and to challenge the government writ. Pakistan Taliban are carrying out their insurgent and treasonous activities under the pretext of various concocted religious myths to paralyze the government machinery. Reportedly Taliban under the name of Tehrik e Taliban Pakistan (TTP) have been able to raise a fully paid army and they also collect taxes. They are spewing terror every where and are fighting to grab, the loosely kept FATA of Pakistan to declare it as their formal domain along with surounding Pashtoon areas. On the other hand India had also struck deals with Iran for developing an energy-motivated transport corridor. This plan was formally launched in 2000 to primarily draw Europe-bound commercial trade traffic away from the Suez Canal to an alternative and much shorter road, rail, and sea route leading from the major Iranian port of Bandar Abbas north westward to the Caspian Sea and beyond to the St. Petersburg gateway and Europe . But with the inception of newly built deep sea, all weather sea port of Gwader of Baluchistan, built with the help of China; there is a mark momentum observed in India’s subversive activities inside Baluchistan and it is more so on increase.
Internationally with its panoramic portrait; Pakistan is seen a complex country, which had its origins formed as a homeland for Indian Muslims. Ever since, it has stayed as a military-dominated state divided into four separate provincials identities. It has experienced uneven economic growth, political chaos, sectarian violence, and several nuclear crises with its much larger neighbour- India for last about sixty years. India remains the most active oppressor and a foe working against the interests of Pakistan as an arch rival to challenge its integrity.
Under the current precarious political situations in the country and war looming at the western borders; Pakistan’s future seems uncertain. Can it survive and able to fulfil its promise of joining the community of nations as a moderate Islamic state, at peace with its neighbours, or could it dissolve completely into a failed state, spewing out terrorists and be known as the culprit in spreading nuclear weapons in several directions? Or stays exploited as ever at the hands of its neighbours i.e. India in the East, China in the North or US oppression force present in Afghanistan?
We need to under stand this critical situation of our home land where we find that its few ignorant, faithless and mutinous sons of soil, very distastefully are seen louvered in by our enemies to work against the interests of Pakistan for their paltry personal gains and they prefer to ‘bed and sleep with the enemy’. Huge sums are pelted at these abettors’ doors to carry out subversive activities and eventually they are bringing this nation (God forbid) to the brink of disintegration. Will they be successful in creating these cracks that some times they become so visible…!
But Pakistan is a God given country. Pakistanis are aware of it that India is all out to take the wind out of their sails. But Pakistanis believe in their God who is still on throne; so their just survival only may not be the God’s best; but they will certainly thrive above the rest. Amen.
To be continued in part 2.
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Very thought provoking!
It was as if you spoke every word out of my mind. Seriously, it was all in my mind and im really glad you said it all. Brilliantly written!!
India Pakistan are Rivals not Enemies
Rivals can have a broad range of emotions towards one another. Although they compete, they may also be friends. They may also be enemies or be indifferent to one another. It is common in competitions to reduce the other party to an insensate object which can consequently be abused without human concern.
Rivals often compete over a scarce resource, often the affections and attention of another, from the issue of Kashmir, and wars being fought over by two nations who might otherwise be friends. The danger and sad fact of rivalry is that it can turn sour and friends may become bitter enemies.
Rivalry is less vicious than enmity and is thus easier in many ways to accept.
That was an article, which depicts the ground realities and not a single fact was distorted.
War on terror is a smoke screen, as once said on this forum.
I can vouch for the fact that India is directly involved in FATA and in Balochistan and now the passions of Pakistan has run out and now retaliation is the only way to stop Indian bloody interference in our areas. The recent suicide attacks in Wah and Kohat were carried out by Tamil Tigers.
kiran it means it was you who wrote this article in actual and perhaps khokar by hpnosis took away your thoughts of articulated ,formated material as intended theme for float.khokar this is really bad . pakistan spectator please award this article to miss kiran . by the way miss kiran why dont you write part 2 of this article before khokar can plan it to float,
Very well written Khokar.
But Mr. Khokar, dont you think that it’s time Pakistan should change gears and adopt a crystal clear policy regarding war on terror. We should either adopt it wholly or discard it altogether. Diplomacy and insurgencies cannot go hand in hand IMHO.
@saeed khan Rivalry of kinsmen
Dr, razahaider
This is what we are…
Brig. Junaid Zaman, i totally agree with you. All the suicide bombings here are from India (except those which talibaans take responsibility of). It is they who brain wash innocent and illeterate people, train them in Waziristan and make them suicide bombers. They are in search of such kids who run away from homes or young people who are fed-up of their lives, to convert them into suicide bombers. I even heard a story about this guy who followed a maulvi, who used train suicide bombers in waziristan, and he found a taaweez in this maulvi’s bathroom, which had hindi written on it. These all are agents of RAW and i feel that the blast on indian counsel in kabul was also their plan to put the blame on Pakistan. I dont know why the hell are some stupid Pakis want friendship with india ‘cuz india is not worthy of it. For every blast in India, they put the blame on Pakistan. Is that what they call friendship? India is like asteen ka saanp, she says she wants friendship with us and for that matter even supports us for small causes like Champions trophie etc ‘cuz such things won’t harm its interests but in other matters, she shows its true colors and says as much bad against Pakistan as she can because she knows that there are many fools here who wouldn’t rect on her behaviour, thats why she takes us for granted. We all must get united and stand against every power which is against Pakistan.
@ Dr. Raza haider
( no offences to khokar).
hey nice idea, i’ll definitely think about it!. But you know what, on topics like these, i really get angry and out of my mind and then i can’t control my language. So, its better that khokar does the writing part, my job is thinking
Look, I don’t give a damn about the causes and origin of the terrorism, I don’t care whether they are Indians, Afghans, or Pakistanis, whether they go to a church, a mandir, or a mosque, and I honestly don’t give a shit whether it’s inspired by the Americans or the Arabs; all I know is that these ‘terrorists’ have dared us and we have every right and means to go out and finsih them off and now. Rápido!……………… Basta!
I think Mr. Brig wants us to attack Tamil Nadu of India or Tamils area of Sri Lanka.
Thanks Mr. Brig, we are proud that we had people like you in the army. Keep circulating your investigative reports as we are always ready to read them.
We should also let these so called Taliban terrorists free as we have to concentrate on India and Sri Lanka now.
Thanks again Mr. Brig. You are genious.
Kiran
How realistic you are, your comments are so valid, it has changed all my previous theories, thanx
Now I agree with you, that all the terrorism Pakistan is facing today, India is to blame. Wow amazing !
But, I still think Aftab has a better awnser.
Khan Sahib, thanks for agreeing with me. I honestly and sincerely believe that if anyone forces to enter my home to hurt my interests, the most natural and most human instinct is and should be, I will just not let him and if it takes to kill him I will. I am not going to start philosophising on the cause of his attacking me, or whether he is a hindu, a muslim, or whatever, right? Now, here these people who are involved in these terroristic attacks on our people and our installations, they could be anything but our friends. Right? so why this fake intellectualism and this strategizing and labelling it as proxy war by anyone (I don’t care) - hell, lets say they are Indians or Arab agents or American financed whatever, so, what prevents us from destrying them? Lets say they are muslims, so, does it give them any immunity from our wrath?
I have no stomach for such screwed up logic that we had created or helped create the Talibans or Terorists. Well, let say, we did. Does it mean that we should not stop them from hurting our interets. It is a bit polite. We created them and we must force them to abandon their modes operandi; if not they do not comply with our dictat then we must destry them they have to vanish. It is our country and we will and must not let anyone, in the any name of any religion or cause, to fuck around with our patience. What has to be done, must be done and NOW!
Pakistan in its current geographical position as being pointed out by your kind sole was always in the same continual stake as geographical entity, since its birth.
Under the existence of its ever normal natural positioning, importance or weight age with regard to its domain, can not be the subject of controversy, as its position can not withstand the subject of discussion in terms of extra ordinary investigative priority and preference as geographical demarcation or entity, however if at all, was ever important, in the book of desire as lust by enemy, such braches to destabilize, could have been initiated much earlier as and before its upcoming as nuclear power.
However classical war strategy as can be seen by recalling past was tried multiple times immediately after its existence, but failure became the fate of the enemy.
After multiple drastic failures as strategy and war tactics, the only option left with the enemy was to engage the heaven with people who were always being discarded and treated as enemy within or with some unknown grievances to its existence, thereby utilizing that platform of thoughts so to culminate the desire to disintegrate.
Under the modus operandi of the desire to subjugate and subvert the nation, option left was minimal and logically cruel and irrational in terms of state and its obligation as state.
However being follower of kautylia and chenakiya and their cruelty based principles of espionage, further move was directed in the manner that utilizes the people within.
In order to accomplish the illegitimate desire focus areas of interest were predicted and peoples around the vicinity was dig out so to achieve the target goal.
Although chauvism and bigotry by the existing lords of the land was always the problem in terms of attitude in these areas since day one such as, FATA, Balochistan and affiliated Sindh approach of the assailant became hardly stressful and malign free.
Traditional triage based threats as separation slogan was always encountered in these areas from day one of her existence as nation.
Thoughts as separate entity were through out practiced by the lords of the land in these areas, and were always a cash point, by theses lords, from the country, so to keep away the governance, from the thinking mechanics and prosperity, in terms of populace, land and education.
From bugti to murree and similar sibling as GM Syed to Baccha khan, none supported the theme of the country and developed a separate school based concept against each other and provinces so to accomplish the desire to refill the lust of their irrational practices.
It was this breach point which ever remained the point of interest to create embezzlement by our all time enemy specially India so to arrest the development and thinking process as advancement thereby sabotaging the integrity and sovereignty of the nation.
However after the declaration of the nuclear birth and capacity as another threat in terms of emerging Muslim power, became the point of cautious and consciousness?
Although your reservation regarding establishment of camps and training of dissident as Ferrari in these camp is not at all a new concept in books of espionage and subversive activities so to utilize these forces thereby to disintegrate and destabilize the integrity, but the point is how and why our own are acting and playing in the hands of our enemies.
Are their reservations, as populace is more dominant than over the act and saving of integrity of nation?
What happens and should be done when insanity took over as mental illness.
What happen when our own starts murdering, looting and demolishing their own field.
In my opinion mad dog has same treatment as serial killers.
Proven culprits should be abolished by death penalty.
If such punishment in the form and format of brutality can not be practice to curtail their habits, things would continue to grow in similar pattern.
When you know someone at some place is sleeping with the enemy, what’s the point of sparing the two? Regards
My good old doc Raza Haider:
Now in the name of heavens will you please try to tell us or at least me what are you saying or trying to say without being pompous and pretentious. I must say the way you express your ideas you make mud look like spring water.
In one of your blog (The Cow) few weeks back you mentioed that after your post grad surgery training you appeared in Inter Service Selection Board (ISSB) to join Pakistan Army. I am interested to know what was the result of your tests at ISSB. Did you pass those tests and joined Army? If you consider it to be a personal question you may decline to answer it?
Das! That’s called the art of expression indicating healthy mind and, hale and hearty sole.
Das! I am never in habit to indulge in irrational discussion to elaborate and explain my theme to the reader.
You are not at all a child with juvenile interpreting thoughts.
Das, I told you earlier, that you have interpersonal complex problem which always put you in discussion that is beyond your understanding.
Sir in order to rectify or reroute your perception in right direction you got to perceive things without the mode and medusa of bias and prejudice built in tendency though it might be a difficult task for you, as few people have predefined natural restrained premises which they can not crossover in any circumstances.
Sir thou I am never interested in reverting to your comments but still for your info, so to make your desperate sole a bit calm , I have recently gain premature release from army.
“Eyes do not see what mind does not know”.
Das it is very easy to be inquisitive rather to have your say as opinion.
It’s good that you are engaging me as ladder to shift and cross your excellence so to elevate your lust thereby to enhance your profile as intellect but please do not cross over with your bag pack of knowledge and strength as power with some real fighter as heavy weight or he will pack you up with your luggage and bearing as intellect in a box so to burry your desire for long till some one like me could give you place to listen. Regards
Ref: Dr. Razahaider writes:
“Sir thou I am never interested in reverting to your comments but still for your info, so to make your desperate sole a bit calm , I have recently gain premature release from army.”
Simply put, you were fired!
Dear Mustafa,
Your comments # 14 regarding Brig. Junaid Zamman Sahib’s claim of Terrorist attack in Wah and earlier in Kohat. The members of ‘Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam’ known as Tamil Tigers may not be directly involved in person but certainly their tactics were made use of and certainly the executioner were our own kith and kin.
Please be warned:
*Gharoon ko kab fursat hey dukh daney kee
*Jab hoota hey; koi apan hamdam hoota hey
It is reported that terrorist attacks specially by the Islamist Groups like Al Qaeda and Terik e Taliban Pakistan and others are the copying of LTTE tactics. Some earlier examples are:
1. The similarities between previous LTTE attacks against Sri Lanka Navy ships and the al-Qaeda attack on the USS Cole which killed 17 US Navy sailors.
2. The anti-rebel website “South Asian Terrorism Portal” claimed that the LTTE provided forged passports to Ramzi Yousef, the man who was one of the planners of the first attack against the World Trade Center in New York in 1993.
3. The anti-rebel website “South Asian Terrorism Portal” claimed that there are increasing intelligence reports that the LTTE was smuggling arms to various terrorist organizations, including Islamic groups in Pakistan and their counterparts in the Philippines using their covert smuggling networks, and findings by the London-based International Institute for Strategic Studies that they were building commercial links with al-Qaeda and other militants in Afghanistan.
4. Falk Rovik, accused the LTTE stole Norwegian passports and sold them to the al-Qaeda organization (in Algeria) to earn money to fund their arms purchases. He further alleged that the Government of Norway has funded the LTTE and finances Terrorism.
5. However, most of these allegations have been made by Sri Lankan government officials and their sympathizers (especially post 9/11), and are therefore subject to some skepticism.
6. According to an anti-rebel website, Glen Jenvey, a former employee of the government of Sri Lanka and a specialist on international terrorism claimed that al-Qaeda has copied most of its terror tactics from the LTTE He highlighted the LTTE as the mastermind that sets the pattern for organizations like al-Qaeda to pursue.
7. According to Asian Tribune, an anti-LTTE website, attacks on civilians in buses and trains in Sri Lanka were copied from the attack on public civilian transport during the July 2005 bombings in London.
Kabir Das,
To get through the prescribed tests by the Inter Services Selection Board (ISSB) are meant to select the person with specific view of Military services only; and that may not be the criteria to gauge the general ability and fore bearing of a person to lead a success full life otherwise. By the way; I have served as Group Task Officer (GTO) back in 1978 in ISSB and I believe so that Dr Raza Haider did served in Medical Corps and opted out to leave the Armed forces at the rank of Captain. (Dr Raza Haider; please correct me if this is not the case.)
rightly said sir! as usual
Mr. A Khokar,
I enjoyed read your analysis. I recall reading a similar analysis of an interview done by M H Ashan of Senator Mushahid Hussain. I am impressed with your similar conclusions, that you and Senator Mushahid hold similar viewpoints. It is truly an honor to read your analysis.
Here is the link from bolojii.com:
http://www.boloji.com/analysis2/0116.htm
Dera Saker,
I believe that ‘The Pakistani Spectator’ forum is such a renowned forum that you can only come up here with information which bears its true authenticity.
To prove your point one has to sift through many more interviews, reports, and government hand out and not just hearsays or the usual rhetoric of maligning others baselessly.
Regards
Khokar,
Thanks for the information but can we leave these so called Taliban on the basis that LTTE is involved indirectly? We should attack these AlQaeda and Taliban guys in such a manner so to make them example for others.
Some people think that the only solution is to have dialogue with them (AlQaeda and Taliban) and the root cause of this problem lies with India. In my opinion, first the AlQaeda and Taliban should be removed from Planet earth is such a way that no one can harm the image of Muslims again. Look what are they doing! They are murdering poor people of Pakistan and most of these poor people are Muslims.
In my opinion we can’t teach lesson to India and if someone thinks that Pakistan can beat India in a war or vice versa, he/she is living in a fool’s paradise. So India will continue infiltrating Pakistan through these ‘BIKAU MAAL’ Taliban and AlQaeda and even Pakistan’s ISI will continue sending its spies and attempt destabilization in India but the only solution is to crush these people and I fully back the current policy of government to crush them.
Mr. A Khokar,
I am very surprised by your conclusions or my intent. Whatever you do feel, that is a reflection of yourself.
My intentions were and are clear. As I said earlier, it was an honor reading your analysis.
Dear Saker,
Oh no; Please; I never had my intentions to say other wise. Only I wanted to say that in present age and time this forum is a blessing where only truth prevails. I am so proud of it to come and discuss n exchange views with eminent people like you.
I am appreciative of your kind views. You comments originally came after Kabir Das which of course left every body with some bitter feelings.
Any how, I do apologise; if #25, it sounded otherwise.
Hi Khokar,
A very cleverly written with truths and half truths that one can say all problems of pakistan is created by RAW even the creation of Drug money funded ISI unit which you must be aware of.
This writeup is essentially to serve the interests of USA/EU masters who created Pakistan in the first place to be a thorn in the flesh of India.
As India is ENEMY all efforts should be made so that it doesnot get OIL from Iran or middleast and as Pakistan doesNOT have the capacity to absorb or use the OIL of Iran or Middleast, it must be A SPOILER and must allow the OIL TO BE USED ONLY BY EUROPEANS AND JAPANESE.wHAT LOGIC!
The following link must be very heartening to ISI friends of yours
http://www.outlookindia.com/full.asp?fodname=20080901&fname=Arundhati+Roy+%28F%29&sid=1
What you or your friends cannot understand the deeper meaning of the game being played by US and its friends like you(because of your blind hatred for India) that ultimately the disintegration of Pakistan and India with creation of independent Kashmir,balochistan and innumerable other independent kingdoms like soviet Union.
The NUKES OF INDIA AND PAKISTAN ARE THE TARGET. Musharaff could not understand and you cannot understand as also Brig Zaman and his friends.
Johann,
Thank you for the link.
So it’s a good sign that kashmiries have also realised that politic of violence gave them nothing. Saying goodbye to violence and resorting to non-violence protests is like GandhiJi l movement.
Freedom fighters all over the world have got this notion that as a dog fly when is able to sting a dog at right place; it can even put the terrier bull dog into spin; so they would compel the oppressor to give way, they may be able to retrieve some good results and favours by giving a dog like spin to the oppressors.
But now a days the oppressor; he moves with all his might and remorseless savagery; these fighter may have no chance to their freedom except they reap only losses, destruction and nothing else but misery.
To fight for freedom and find new ways for them have become imperative.
Dear Dr Raza Haider,
Your comments at # 17 culminating at;…..[ the point is how and why our own are acting and playing in the hands of our enemies /…/ When you know someone at some place is sleeping with the enemy, what’s the point of sparing the two?]
Dr Raza Haider, this is the dilemma that Pakistaniat (Pak Nationalism) could not find its way or due place in our hearts and souls and in our society. We have also not been able to recognize the enemies of this nation and have not been able to differentiate between friends and foes. Our history is full of such people who would love to bed with the enemy for paltry gains but at the same time they are also hailed in Pakistan to the extent of being considered as the mentors; like Akbar Bugti, Khair Buksh Muree and others from Baluchistan.
Keeping in view the subject corridor that India is longing for to carve it through Pakistan since long; this plan has attained a mark impetus in her moves; since the time, she has started considering her the local super power of south Asia. These Sardar have very conveniently started a play let; of liberation of Baluchistan. They mint the monies and collect their perks from both the sides. From enemies that they get armed for subversive activities with arms and ammo and run the terror groups and from Pakistan side that government rather than investing in public sectors and other infra structures; Pak government on the lines of colonial system pays huge sums in millions directly to Sardars as a bribe and a perk to keep their mouths shut; and with the under taking that; no question is asked from Sardars and no check is made on their activities with in their own tribal domains.
All the Baluchi Sardars may they be Murees, Bughti or other such Baluchis activist have raised their own dissident groups. They all feel a pride in calling their movement as liberation armies namely Baluchistan liberation army,Baluchistan Liberation front or Baluchistan Republic Army The usual sabotage of infrastructure and disruptions caused in day to day working of government is taken as a fight to liberate their tribal domains from the oppressing Pakistani forces; for which as per their announcement they do not hesitate to get trained from Indian camps specially setup in Afghanistan or take other financial help primarily from India or others. You may find some more glaring details in part-2 of this article.
But first and foremost; Pakistan has to declare them the traitors which has not been announced so for…!
20 Saker
Your remark ” Simply put, you were fired!” is bit funny but bit unkind also. Lot of people leave army for various personal reasons.
22 A Khokar:
Thanks for the info. I agree with you that ISSB tests are Army srvice specific and do not show the potential of a person to lead a successful life in other areas of human activity. It is indeed possible that Einstein may have failed the ISSB tests. It is also possible that Einstein would have made a very poor estate agent. I had asked this question for a different reason to which I may revert back some other time.
19 My good doc Raza Haider:
My parawise comments on response are as follows:
You say: Das! That’s called the art of expression indicating healthy mind and, hale and hearty sole.
I say: Doc I have read numerous writers including Kafka, Jean Paul Sartre etc with unique style of expressions and themes. Understood some of their works and had difficulty with some. Why is it that I am having such a difficulty in understanding what you write. Is it because you have healthy mind and ‘hale’ and hearty ’sole’ which they did not have?
Is there some special name for this type of art of expression which you practice. I have a very inquisitive mind and as such I will like to learn more about it.
By the way you have written the word ’sole’ many times. Is it a typo or you really mean ’sole’ and not soul which an ordinary mortal like me may tend to think?
You say: Das! I am never in habit to indulge in irrational discussion to elaborate and explain my theme to the reader.
I say: Sir, I did not ask you to indulge in any rational or ‘irrational’ discussion. All I want you to explain to me the ‘theme’ of your writing in plain and simple word. Leave it to me whether I understand what you have written or not. If I had asked Einstein to explain to me his Theory of Relativity he could have refused on the ground that I wouldn’t understand it. However, if I had asked him to let me know the theme of his theory of relativity he could have obliged and I would have understood a great deal what the theory of relativity is all about.
Your answer also seems to acknowledge that any elaboration and explanation of your theme by you will per force be irrationl. That is only likely if your theme happens to be irrational.
You say: You are not at all a child with juvenile interpreting thoughts.
I say: The phrase ‘juvenile interpreting thoughts’ is not understood
You say: Das, I told you earlier, that you have interpersonal complex problem which always put you in discussion that is beyond your understanding.
I say: How come I understand all the posts on The Pakistan Spectator except the one which you post when asked to explain your self which you refuse to do. I don’t know if I have interpersonal complex or some other complex. What I do know is that I don’t let any one bull shit his way through anything. I know enough not to get bamboozled by any one.
You say: Sir in order to rectify or reroute your perception in right direction you got to perceive things without the mode and medusa of bias and prejudice built in tendency though it might be a difficult task for you, as few people have predefined natural restrained premises which they can not crossover in any circumstances.
I say: Doctor Sahab, talk simple and talk straight. By the way have you read theory of evolution. Have you read about genes and genetics. Do you know anything about molecular biology. Do you know anything about Evolutionary Psychology. This is one of the many areas of my study. I asked you about all this thinking you may have some knowledge about it. Please do talk in the light of these subjects and you will find me having no difficulty in understanding you. But don’t try to bamboozle me with bull shit. I can recognize the crap when I see one.
You say: Sir thou I am never interested in reverting to your comments but still for your info, so to make your desperate sole a bit calm , I have recently gain premature release from army.
I say: Good for you. Thanks for info any way.
You say: “Eyes do not see what mind does not know”.
I say: What is the relvance of this quote here?
You say: Das it is very easy to be inquisitive rather to have your say as opinion.
I say: Please confirm if you mean ‘critical’ and not ‘inquisitive’. ‘Inquisitive’ does not make sense here. If so I will agree with you. I assure you I have good reason to be critical. I don’t like people bull shit in broad day light.
You say: It’s good that you are engaging me as ladder to shift and cross your excellence so to elevate your lust thereby to enhance your profile as intellect but please do not cross over with your bag pack of knowledge and strength as power with some real fighter as heavy weight or he will pack you up with your luggage and bearing as intellect in a box so to burry your desire for long till some one like me could give you place to listen.
I say: Sir, if I needed to engage a ladder it wouldn’t be you. I want to prevent you from becoming a ladder for any one so as not to lead the poor soul into some pit. I have never used my back pack of knowledge to fight or compete with any one. It is for my own satisfaction and fulfilment. Mind you I have no desire to compete with you. Compete with you for what???? I just want to advise you as a friend to channalize your time and effort in the right way and in the right direction. I would have not given you this unsolicited advice had I not seen you bull shiting. When one bull shits one often gets caught also and that’s what unfortunately happened in your case. Still no harm done. Sir, you present your idea, if you have any, in your own style and we may all appreciate you. Don’t say meaningless things garbed with fancy but irrelevant words.
Sorry I had to be bit forthright with you this time. I had left no other option. Would like to hear from you somethin INTELLIGIBLE.
So long.
AAAAAAAAAH kabir das ! last decent advise for you .please do not attend my article as it’s a real bull shit, as you said and I suggest that you should stop playing and indulging in shit, especially bull’s shit. And one more thing kabir das I would never say any thing to COW, from now and onward as I insanely forgot that cow may be a sacred animal to people and I really dint knew that I have to face such a terrible pain in ass after writing an essay on this sacred animal.
Dear Mustafa and friends,
I was able to write few words about terror business being run by Baluch Sardars at #31 above that how they are running their so called armies under the disguise, they like to call it dissident groups and how cleverly they are playing a double bluff using our enemies as well as Pakistani government and are busy extorting monies from both the ends. Resultant there is a great influx of monies going in as well as flow in of arms and ammunition plus command and control equipment to carry out subversive activities.
Where as the Baluchis are playing a calculated game in Baluchistan; in FATA under the ‘auspice’ directions of the Al Qaeda, the Tehrik e Taliban Pakistan is also on rampage to escalate the situation in NWFP and create such an anarchy that some how they are able to claim their dominance in their self proclaimed domain of FATA and it adjacent areas. They are running fully paid armies and paying the amount of Pak Rs. 6000 to 12000 monthly per person for various ranks and files. They also collect taxes. At this stage they have their aim to grab the power in the area, short of provincial headquarter in Peshawar and wait.. till such time that they find the situation in favour for their next moves.
Although Army has been given the job to clear FATA of all such forces and there was an ample warning given to locals in the area to vacate the area prior to launch of military operation. Reportedly there are reasonable successes in breaking the back of these stooges but owing to the porous Pak-Afghan border the TTP elite forces must have escaped across border and will wait till military retreats and they come back and again take charge. They can always defer their programmes.
But First and fore most will be that our government openly declares them the traitors and public is taken into confidence.Their concocted myth of old Jewish like orthodoxy to have Sharia laws etc is countered by issuing the Parliamentary legislative as UN-Islamic.
may Allah save our beloved country…Amen
33 Dr Raza Haider:
That is much better. Your comments are intelligible for a change. Keep it up. With a little bit of more effort you could have made your said comments more biting, more exciting and more cutting. I wouldn’t have minded that. I would have rather enjoyed reading them like many other SPECTATORS.
I assure you The Cow did not bother me and why should it have?? However, as said earlier use of its dung by some to coverup their their flaws and faults is what irks me to no end.
Will love to remain in touch with you. I will continue to read what you write and comment thereon.
kabir ! why dont you do one thing .why dont you rub your ass on every article of mine as i love such sttitude when people with habitual trait as catamite provoke and probe such person who can culminate and gratify their desire .i would definately love to keep you as keepboy so to enjoy you when and if desire.
Kabir sb I am not 40 years old finish stuff with loose tool, so to enjoy urination only.
I can be more bitter, hard and exciting with all your requirements as cutting, biting and gratifying.
Please attend the forum with decency and keeping distances as opinion rather to prove your identity as some forgotten specialist.
Please see what has been floated by me was too irrational and unbearable by me as well.
However clemency always remains the last pending option and I admit my irrational attitude.
I would be much obliged if you can counter my article with opinion so that we may enjoy the concept of discussion in a scholarly and intellect way.
From now and onward ,i am afraid i wont be availaable to regard or react your comments.
Some people are dare devil, like to sleep with enemy.
Cherh khoban say chali jai Asad
37 Dr Raza Haider:
That is much better. Now you are acting your realself. That’s what you should do in your writing as well and thus one day you may become a matured well hung 40 year old writer.
You say: Kabir sb I am not 40 years old finish stuff with loose tool, so to enjoy urination only.
I say: Doc you take pride in something in which a negro may excel you and a jack ass is superior to you. This is what I mean by a cutting, biting and exciting rejoinder. Got it sir.
Your advice to use your articles as toliet paper is well taken and will be compled with.
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Here is now something for you to think about:
Writers who who in general are unable to express their thoughts with clarity will in individual instances take pleasures in employing the strongest, most exaggerated designations and superlatives; thus producing a light-effect like torches flaring on confused forest pathways.
Nietzsche
Ref @ # 39
Here is something for us all, lets think about it:
All I know is what the words know, and the dead things, and that makes a handsome little sum, with a beginning, a middle and an end as in the well-built phrase and the long sonata of the dead. And truly it little matter what I say, this or that or any other thing. Saying is inventing. Wrong, very rightly wrong. You invent nothing, you think you are inventing, you think you are escaping. and all you do is stammer out your lesson……………….Samuel Beckett (Molloy).
Ref : #&# &#
The Ethical studies say that our culture serves as a means of preserving civility, decency, and morality. … But when the ‘Civility’ takes a flight, the ‘Arrogance’… invariably comes in to fill the gap.
Very true!
Khokar Sahib, I got to agree with you whole heartedly. You have rightly pointed out the importance of ethics and ethical consideration in any, ours included, culture. By the way, though not a part of your sect / religion (whatever your belief is categorized as), I do admire and honestly am greatly impressed by the way you have held on to the Islamic teachings about how we are supposed to conduct ourselves individually and collectively with “civility, decency and morality”. This is my greatest regret and cause for dismay that we, generally, the claimant of the ‘right path’ lack all this chracter attributes so completely and are victims of our hubris and arrogance. What is it, I wonder and how and who can help cure this malady, Allah surely is above such concerns for our decay; this job has to be done ourselves right at home and families, and neighborhoods and schools.
“Pakistan is a peace loving country”…. hahahaha Good joke.
The world calls Pakistan a jehadi factory and you have fundamentalists running amok all through the country bombing, killing and maiming people and you call it a peace loving country.
Whenever i want a good laugh, i will look for your articles. Thanks for the laughs now. Keep writing.
Dear Philip,
I think it was written;
“Pakistanis are talented and hard working people. They are supposed to be the most peace loving nation but for the vicious designs of its…….”
I think that you slipped the actual flow in the text.
Any how many thanks for your visit and reading it.
Regards
Mr. Philips:
I think you least know about majority of Pakistanis and believing that all Pakistanis are like as you thinks. Try to visit our main cities and areas, you will find the result. By sitting thousands of miles away, you can only see what is running on CNN and BBC….and other exaggerated media channels.
Khokar it was a deliberate slip. These Hindus as Indians by built in nature and continuous training has well developed stingy and subversive activities as grudges against Pakistan and Pakistanis, they don’t spare a single event to go free in which they can not put Pakistan and its theme in their desired motive as sabotaging and maligning .
A Khokar
Ref: 41
Agree with your observation. However, in this instance I think ‘decency’ took the flight and ‘vulgarity’ came in to fill the gap. Nature obviously abhors vacuum.
@ Ref # 16,
Aftab, i absolutely agree with you. All i wanted was to make it clear that Indians can never be our friends and we should stop behaving like fools believing every word they say and letting them weaken Pakistan and get hold of it. I mean you can’t disagree with this fact, can you? Think with an open mind, we need to be careful of them and stop this friendship friendship thing. There maybe a few of them who might actually want to be friends with Pakistan and they are most welcome,, but majority of them and their government esp. is in no mood of peace. So, think about it and try to understand it. And besides, we can’t just be content with only this much knowledge that those people are terrorists and enemies of Pakistan….We need to look deeper into the matter to be careful in the future otherwise they will have another oportunity to weaken us.
Dear Saeed Khan,Toronto,
Ref#3
Rival when used as adjective is; competitive, contesting and rivalrous in healthy games of life etc.
Where as when Rival is used as noun (as in this case); then it is an enemy, a foe and opponent…’India an Arch Rival’.
Saeed Khan; the topography on ground dictates that India must have a sure kill of Pakistan before Iran becomes a nuclear power; otherwise when Iran also becomes a Nuclear power; Pakistan and Iran alliance may bring the emerging power India on her knees and starve her of ‘oil and gas’… dry.
Regards
Dear Ayesha,
Ref# 9
Please wait for part 2 0f this article; we may come with some good solution.
Kiran and Sabeen Mumtaz,
Thanks for your kind comments.
And I apologise for this belated response.
with best wishes
Ref: 42
Totaly agree with you particulary with the last sentense.
Ref:#40
Didn’t quite get it but feel what is being said is something snsible.
Mr. Khokar
You have wild imaginations. India Pakistan enimies, arch rivals, or simply rivals, will not change the due course of history. We have so much in common interests. Our future survival depends on each other.
Both countries have to learn co exist, for future of this region side by side, by war or peace.
India failed in East Pakistan, Muslim Bangladesh is live and well as a prove of ” Two Nations Theory ”
When faith is weak ” fear takes over ” in Islam
Our Motto is NO FEAR
India partner, not rival, says China on NSG meet eve ( Pakistan Partner, not rival, says India. WAIT AND SEE IN FUTURE )
2 Sep, 2008, 2018 hrs IST, IANS
NEW DELHI/BEIJING: Amid reports of Beijing’s reservations about the nuclear deal, China Tuesday announced Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi’s forthcoming visit to India and underlined that the two countries are “partners, rather than rivals”.
The three-day visit beginning Sunday was announced in New Delhi and Beijing by the foreign office of the two countries. This will be Yang’s first visit to India since becoming foreign minister in April last year.
“China and India are friendly neighbours, and both are large developing countries. The two sides have reached consensus that they were cooperative partners of mutual benefit, rather than rivals,” Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Jiang Yu told reporters in Beijing.
Alluding to Prime Minister Manmohan Singh’s successful visit to China early this year, she said the visit that led to the signing of a strategic joint statement, “A Shared Vision for the 21st Century”, marked an important step in improving relations.
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