Nabuwat Ka Phul : Jamat-e-Ahmadiya’s Claims
By Tariq • Feb 25th, 2008 • Category: Misc • 10 Comments •
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Brother Tariq.
I don’t think you got it the first time when I raised objection to your post.
Listen. You are all entitled to your opinions. Good for you. BUT do it at your own site/ blog. This is not the proper forum to discuss about any particular sect or religion - especially when it contains downgrading the other sect.
I request the administrators of TPS to be very careful when posting material like this. This ensues a never ending hate cycle. You cant publish anything. Would you publish cartoon of Prophet Muhammad? I do not think so. By posting such articles, you are showing a sunni-biased platform and this does not bode well for TPS. (Yes I know shia’s opinion too on this topic)
I hope I have made myself understood brother Tariq.
Peace.
Dear PostMan:
The thing is that TPS is a free forum, and Tariq is a writer here and he is just writing his opinion, and he is not insulting anyone. He is talking with references and with facts without inflammatory language. If you or anyone else want to write too from the Ahmadiya side on this topic, you are welcome, and we will publish your point of view without editing.
regards.
I did not find any insulting remarks or irrelevant argument in the article written by Mr. Tariq. Mr. Postman we would like to also hear from you about the comparison drawn in this article. Sincerely: Yours and everybody’s emad..
Very nice analysis with impartial lingo and facts.
It is just a propaganda. There is no worthy fact or research. Its the same stuff that I find outside my mosque written on pamphlets about other sects. I assume all of you are sunnis, including myself of course. I know nothing about ahmadiyya.. but I assume they have plenty of same hate material regarding sunnis and shias. Just as shias and sunnis have hate material regarding each other.
If admin of TPS feels that there is nothing wrong in printing of such posts… keep posting! That reminds me of the comments of Anonymous that the admin of TPS had deleted :p hehe! so much for freedom opinions…
I have said what I had to say… people should never be looked upon just because of their faith. w’salam…
TPS, you must stop such posts which even Government of Pakistan not allows. Or you also add Denmark stuff on website also. these all stuffs are against Muslims so they need to be controlled.
Ahmadi’s comes in same list. rather they are more dangerous than others because they are from inside us.
please take solid action. how you knows that his given references are true and based on facts. its bad trend and must be stopped.
salam
it is quite interesting to have discussion on such topics within the barriers of mutual respect.its very alarming for me that a muslim (postman) is defending ahmadies.certainly they have the right to submitt their view point but its a matter of our belief and it should be taken seriously.other sects of muslim comunity are all muslims and they have difference within the limites.ahmedies are not sect of islam .they are simple non muslims.
@lalarukh
“its very alarming for me that a muslim (postman) is defending ahmadies”
You did not get it did you?!
I am defending the ‘ right to faith’ of a person! just as I would protest that moron dutchman’s anti-islamic video! He too says its full of ‘research and facts’…
“ahmedies are not sect of islam .they are simple non muslims.”
So that gives right to others to ridicule them?!
Why on earth do muslims cry foul when something is aired against them?! Here it seems there is no issue to write against a sect…
l think it is very important to understand others point of view. No dout that ahmidyya jamat use very slang language against muslims and they dont feel any shy of saying us kafirs bcoz we reject emam mehdi(what they say). l think that there should be comprehensive programme to let the people aware of their teachings and muslim point of view.
thanks a lot.
In the Name of Allah, The Most Compassionate, The Most Merciful,
The One and Only.
His Love and Peace be upon Syedna Muhammad, after whom there is no Prophet, and upon his family and Companions.
Insha Allah, Masha Allah
CAN AHMADIS/QADIANIS ANSWER?
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Mirza Ghulam Ahmad’s claims of Imam Mahdi and Promised Messiah
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Main Article
Mirza Ghulam Ahmad rejected the fundamental Muslim doctrine of the second coming of Hazrat Isa ibne Maryam. Instead, he claimed that Hazrat Isa had died his natural death and even claimed to have located his grave in Khanyar Street, Srinagar, Kashmir. Mirza Sahib wrote a book “Jesus in India” where he gave a detailed account of what he claimed to have actually happened at the cross. According to him Jesus was put to the cross by the Jews on Friday; Jesus fainted and Jews thought that he had died. He was buried; but three days later, he regained consciousness and came out of the grave. He was 33 years old at that time. He met his disciples and secretly migrated to India, where he died at the age of 120 years. Let us have a look at the following extracts from this book:
“Hence, I shall prove in this book that Jesus (Peace be upon him) did not die on the cross neither did he go up to the heavens nor it should ever be hoped that he will return to the earth from the heavens; rather, he died at the age of 120 years in Srinagar in Kashmir, and his grave is in the Khanyar Region of Srinagar.”
(Maseeh Hindustan Mein, (Jesus in India) Roohani Khazain, vol.15, p.14)
“Authentic narrations of hadith prove that our holy Prophet (pbuh) said in the person of Jesus two such qualities were combined which were not present in any other prophet. Firstly, he lived his full life, i.e. he was alive for 125 years. Secondly, he toured most of the parts of the world…now it is obvious if he had ascended to heavens at the age of only 33 years, then the tradition of 125 years would not have been correct, neither he could have toured at such a young age of 33. These traditions are not only mentioned in the authentic and ancient books of hadith, but they are so popular among all the sects of Muslims that none can be imagined more famous.”
(Maseeh Hindustan Mein {Jesus in India}, Roohani Khazain, vol. 15, pp. 55-56)
Christian Era (AD) begins with the birth of Hazrat Isa ibne Maryam (Jesus) in 1 AD. Hazrat Isa, according to Mirza Sahib, died at the age of 120 years, meaning 120 AD. Now, let us examine the following extract from “Anjam-e-Atham”, written by Mirza Sahib:
“The Holy Quran clearly says that the Masih was lifted to the heavens after his death. Therefore his descent is symbolic and not real. And in the verse ‘Falamma Tawaffeteni’ it has been clearly manifested that death of Hazrat Isa (pbuh) has already taken place. Because the meaning of the verse is that the Christians will go astray after the death of Hazrat Isa (pbuh) and not during his lifetime. So if we assume that Hazrat Isa (pbuh) is not yet dead, then we will have to agree that the Christians are not yet digressed, and this is absolutely false. Rather the verse is saying that the Christians remained faithful only until the life-time of Hazrat Isa (pbuh). From this it becomes known that corruption had already begun during the time of Disciples. If the period of the Disciples had been such that the Christians had still been on right path, then in this verse Allah would not have linked it with the life-time of Hazrat Isa (pbuh) only, but would have included the life time of the disciples as well. Thus at this juncture a very good point of the period of corruption in Christianity is illustrated and which is that IN TRUTH, during the time of the Disciples themselves, the seeds of SHIRK (associating partner with God) were sown in Christianity.
(Anjam-e-Atham, Roohani Khazain, vol. 11, p.321)
The important points from the above extracts are:
* Mirza Sahib claims to give proof from hadith that Hazrat Isa died at the age of 125.
* He asserts that Christians were on right path only during the life time of Hazrat Isa.
* He states that Hazrat Isa was not made God or son of God during his life time.
* Seeds of SHIRK (Trinity) were sown after the death of Hazrat Isa. During the life time of Hazrat Isa, there was no possibility of such a digression. Mirza Ghulam Ahmed is quoting the verse “Falamma Tawaffeteni” (5:117) from Quran, implying that Allah is guaranteeing protection from such corruption (Shirk i.e. Trinity) during the life of Hazrat Isa only.
* Since Mirza Sahib has stated in his book “Jesus in India” that Hazrat Isa died in 120 AD, the seeds of association of Partners with Allah (i.e. Trinity) could not have been planted before 120 AD. This means that Hazrat Isa was made God and son of God only after the year 120 A.D. Before 120 A.D., not even one single individual could have held the belief that Hazrat Isa is God or son of God.
* Thus, the year of 120 A.D. became a turning point.
(Chasma-e-Maseehi, Roohani Khazain, vol. 20, p.375)
“And in the very first instance, he (Paul) implanted the bad seedling of Trinity in Damascus. And this Pauline Trinity started from Damascus. It is towards this that hadith Shareef has hinted that the future Maseeh will descend on the eastern side of Damascus.”
(Chasma-e-Maseehi, Roohani Khazain, vol. 20, p.377)
In this book, Chasma-e-Maseehi, Mirza Sahib has clearly stated that St. Paul was responsible for the doctrine of Holy Trinity and thus turning Hazrat Isa into God. It is a well known fact that St. Paul died in 64 AD or 67 AD. The book ‘The 100’ gives the year of his death as 64 AD. Encyclopaedia of Religion and Ethics says:
“That he suffered martyrdom at Rome there can be no doubt…the date will lie between A.D. 64 and 67, most probably nearer the former than the later limit.”
(Encyclopaedia, vol. 9, p.694)
Final Arguments
1. In the book “Jesus in India”, according to Mirza Sahib, Hazrat Isa died in 120 AD.
2. In the book “Anjam-e-Atham”, Mirza Sahib has clearly stated that the seeds of Trinity were not sown until 120 A.D.
3. In the book “Anjam-e-Atham”, Mirza Sahib has clearly said that St. Paul made Hazrat Isa God.
4. Paul died in 64 or 65 A.D. where as Hazrat Isa died in 120 A.D. Therefore Paul died at least 55 years before Hazrat Isa. (Jesus)
5. Since Paul must have given the doctrine of Trinity during his life time, this means the Hazrat Isa was made God at least 55 years before his own death. In other words, by 65 A.D. Hazrat Isa was made God/Son of God while he died 55 years later in 120 A.D.
6. While he (Jesus) was alive in Kashmir, he was being worshipped as God in Palestine.
7. Thus Mirza Sahib’s commentary on the Holy Quran’s verse 5:117 (Falamma Tawaffetenni) in his book “Anjam-e-Atham”, that Christians made Hazrat Isa God after the death of Hazrat Isa in 120 A.D., becomes absolutely wrong.
Is this a small mistake for a man claiming to have been divinely ordained to be Messiah, Mahdi and a Prophet? Such a grievous error? So obviously and utterly wrong! So conclusively wrong!
On Page 135 of his book “Anjam Atham”, Mirza Ghulam Ahmed says:
“If Jesus is alive in the heavens, then the Christians must be on the right path (on earth)”.
Will the Qadianis / Ahmadis reflect?
(Please see point no. 6 above.)
If Mirza Sahib were alive and this question had been put to him, could he have said: “I am a human being and I can make mistakes”? Mirza Sahib had claimed help of Allah in these arguments. Can Allah be wrong? No! Only the claim of Mirza Sahib is wrong. If he can be wrong in one thing, what proof is there that he is not wrong in other things? The reason for Mirza Saheb’s entire exercise of trying to prove that Hazrat Isa (pbuh) had died was to establish his own claim of being the Promised Messiah and Mahdi. His argument was that, since Hazrat Isa has died, he will not return, as that would be against the principles of Allah. Thus, someone else will have to take up the role of Hazrat Isa and that someone is none other than Mirza Sahib himself! However, the above arguments have proven conclusively that Mirza Ghulam could not substantiate his claim of being Imam Mahdi and the Promised Messiah. Therefore, he is neither Imam Mahdi nor the Promised messiah. As a corollary, he is not a Prophet, because a true Prophet will not make a false claim. Q.E.D., Q.E.D., Q.E.D., Q.E.D., Q.E.D.
Another Interesting Point
He secretely migrated to India, lived there for 87 more years, and died at the age of 120 in Srinagar, Kashmir. He kept no contact with the people of Palestine for these 87 years. People in Palestine did not know that Hazrat Isa was alive in Kashmir and Hazrat Isa did not know that the people in Palestine had begun to worship him as God and son of God. Therefore, (according to Qadiani claims) in the original land (Palestine) where he was sent as Messenger and where he was made God and son of God, he kept careful watch only till the age of 33 and for the remaining 87 years of his life he kept no watch over them at all! What a glaring mistake (in tafseer)!
Remember: All this is Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani’s assertions and we have only his words for them. Will the Qadianis, his followers, kindly clarify the above points or rectify their belief?
May Allah help them to understand what is right and what is wrong and give them the courage to follow the right path. Ameen.
All praise to Allah. His Love and Peace be upon His Noble Prophet, Hazrat Muhammad and upon His family and Companions.