Age of Prohpet Christ
By Tariq • Jul 12th, 2008 • Category: Misc • (5,223 views) • 70 Comments
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August 18th, 2008
Hi everyone, I have done research on the topic you guys are discussing here. This topic is on my agenda, I will write on it in very near future. Please check my blog for update on this and other topics related to Mirza’s writings.
Please read the Article I have written on the book ” Removal of a misunderstanding (Error)by Mirza.
All comments are welcomed, positive or negative.
http://crankthatskunk.wordpress.com/repeat-of-an-error-by-mirza-quadiani/
July 22nd, 2008
Mr. Khokar that’s what I pointed out that you and Mr. Tariq seems to be on illegitimate assignment to utilize the port for your undeclared motive.
You see it’s very common among intelligent and humble personalities to inquire the desire questionnaire in an indirect address.
By utilizing such policies one give reaction time to concerned individual to accomplish the task, while providing a medium to float desired thoughts to rest of the listener regarding intentions whereas on the other hand keeping the target subject from being annoyed and disgruntle.
This discussion on the plateau of concept was neither a bleak show nor hypocrisy.
It was the theory of faith and conceptual interpreted acceptance from different horizon that may settle the dust of wrong practices and insane ideology.
Under such interpreted conceptual and faithful acceptance arrogance is always the dawn of pride.
Astonishingly your habitual trait to interpret things wrongly has again diverted your restricted thoughts towards the same reverting attitude to disclaim and sprinkle floated discussion and its theme as filth.
Every site is a good site if you achieve the goal and desire resisting in your mind.
You see khokar this is the theme of Islam as umbrella where people of different schools unite on the platform of single opinion as Muslims and disembark all those that create fuss.
It is not necessary that one should indulge the discussion only through the platform of religious slogans and signs.
The point of concerned for people like you should be that it’s the unanimously owned flag of Islam as Muslims, on a single logically evaluated and owned flag bearer of humanity ,Islam and every sight and scenes of existing elements ,The Muhammad (s.a.w.a.w), last messenger of god, that will always resist and disembark your false faith wherever you go .
Ki Muhammad (S.A.W.A.W) say Wafa tu nay toe hum tairay hein
Yeh Jaha cheez hai kia Loeho qalam tairay hain
July 22nd, 2008
Thank you very much Dr Alshaer, May Allah bless you as well.
Khokar,
Despite disagreement, I never accused you of filthy statements. I never used abusive language against Mirza sahib because I believe that abusive language should only be used in front of those who changed their belief rather than against those who are born with the wrong belief. If I did use any comments abusing you of your Mirza sahib and you are hurt, then I apologize.
Quoting your own Mirza sahib is “arrogance and throwing of filth”? If it is filth then go and check your own belief.
If someone tells me the Sahih Hadiths of my beloved Prophet Muhammad (SAW) or quote me a verse from Qur’an I will never say that the person is throwing filth. That is the difference between me as a Muslim and you as a Qadiyani.
Anyway, please let’s stop this discussion here, and move to other topics. I always read your comments with interest and on several topics (other than Islam) in favor of your views and will continue to do so as I do not believe on discriminating on the grounds of religion, specifically, for those who are born with other non-Islamic beliefs.
May Allah guide us all.
July 22nd, 2008
Dear Friends Mustafa, Dr. Razahaider,
There has been a stark show of hypocrisy. I only knew that next Mustafa would have turned to arrogance and throwing of filth; the only weapon which is best known to the opponents of Ahmadiyyat thus turning this site into schism and malice. I just wanted to avoid that; This site is a good site and must stay clean which is serving many a people for a good cause of spreading balanced information. Its services must not be abused.
My duty was to show you the right path; which I hope that I have served; the right path which God Almighty has sets for his chosen peoples. This is Ahmadiyya era and Allah has chosen Ahmadiyyat to lead the mankind from now onward under the banner of Islam for His chosen religion bestowed through Muhammad (SAW). [5:54] “ O ye who believe! Who so among you turns back from his Religion, then let him know that Allah will soon bring in his stead a people whom He will love and who will love Him and who will be kind and humble to the believers, and hard and firm against the disbelievers. They will strive in the cause of Allah and will not fear the reproach of a fault-finder. That is Allah’s grace; He bestows it upon whomsoever He pleases and Allah is Bountiful, All-Knowing.”
For Ahmadis the friend ship of Allah is more than enough a protection for his servants.
I must thank you for listening to the message. I hope it will also pricks your conscious some time down the road. Leave you with the prayer that; Allah may lead you on the right path. Ameen
July 21st, 2008
Mustafa, may Allah bless you for your efforts, ameen.
I knew in time that A Khokar would take this stance, that he has to take leave and make accusations against Muslims. Like the false leaders that he follows, they are unable to take the challenge when references are quoted from their own books. Just like Mirza Ghulam A Qadiani and all their so called “leaders” their lies and inconsistencies surface. It is all matter of time and events that pass.
Let this be a lesson to us all!
Holy Prophet Mohammad SAAW said:
“In My Ummah, there shall be born Thirty Grand Liars (Dajjals),
each of whom will claim to be a prophet,
But I am the Last Prophet; there is No Prophet after Me.”
(Abu Dawood Vol 2 p. 228; Tirmidhi Vol 2 p.45)
May Allah guide us all, ameen.
July 21st, 2008
Khokar,
I never posted lengthy posts, I never discussed several topics, I never involved in useless details.
1) After I realized that you and me differ on the meaning of Khatam un Nabiyyeen, I thought not to indulge myself in that, but you, despite my several requests, attempted to establish your point of view through useless details and that proved nothing.
2) I just wanted to find out what your beliefs are, regarding Qur’an and Sahih Hadith. Indeed, I just knew a very little about Qadiyanis but now in two days, by Blessing of Almighty Allah (SWT), very easily distinguish between Qadiyanis and Muslims. You failed to answer my very simple questions after several requests clearly. In the end, after assuming that you do not believe on some of the Sahih ahadiths that do not favor your religion, I presented some views of your Mirza sahib.
3) Lastly, I did not put lengthy posts, instead, just put quotes, of your own Mirza sahib related to just a single topic. I am very comfortable to read and understand straight words of anyone, and I think many of us also think like that.
4) I believe that Qur’an is very easy to understand, it does not need long arguments in favor of its verses. In Surah Qamar Allah says: “And We have indeed made the Qur’an easy to understand and remember: then is there any that will receive admonition?”
Now your words (except Khokar instead of Dr Alshaer):
Thank you very much for your time.
But Khokar sahib abhee say;
Abhi to Raat baqi thi; Abhi tu Baat baqi thi?
I came up to share with you only, which I knew the best.
[Shaed is rah peh koi aur bhi rahee ain–
Dhoop main chalta rahoun; saeay bichataa jaoun]
Any how I remain obliged. Your kind participation on other subjects will be much appreciated.
July 21st, 2008
Mustafa,
Initially you said that please go slowly with me that you know a little about religion etc;
Now you are coming up with lot many references etc, etc. A usual stance, like Yanabi.com. It was your false pretext and phoney call; a conduct unbecoming so before this that your false civility takes a usual turn to arrogance; I think I must leave.
Allah directs to all the righteous people to remain at guard. In Al-An`am [6:68] “ And when thou seest those who engage in vain discourse concerning Our Signs, then turn thou away from them until they engage in a discourse other than that. And if Satan should cause thee to forget, then sit not, after recollection, with the unjust people.”
Many Thanks
July 21st, 2008
Khokar:
Some more writings of Mirza:
- Similarly in reference to verse “alyauma akmaltu lakum deenakum” (This day have I perfected for you your religion) and the verse “walaakin rasulallah wa Khatam al-nabiyyin” (but he is the messenger of Allah and the Seal of the Prophets) clearly shows that the line of Prophethood has been concluded and sealed by our Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) and these clearly show that our Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) is the Seal of the Prophets. (Tuhfa Golarwiyah, p. 51).
- The words of the Holy Quran are final and in its Glorious verse “wa laakin rasulallah wa Khatam al-nabiyyin (but he is the messenger of Allah and the Seal of the Prophets) confirms that in truth and in fact that on our Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) Finality of Prophethood was made. (Kitab-ul-Bariya, p. 184.)
- In the circumstances when Allah has issued an edict that there will not be any prophet coming after thee then contrary to that command would He send Jesus. (Ik Galti ka Izalah, p. 14).
- The Quran clearly declared that Prophet Muhammad is the Seal of the Prophets, yet my unjust opposition intend and attempt to prove that Hazrat Isa (Jesus) (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) is the seal of the Prophets and they assert that the “Masih” mentioned in the Sahih Muslim etc. referred to as “Nabi” would be in fact a true prophet in the factual religious terminology. (Kitab al-Bariya, p. 191).
- If Allah has truthfully declared and the promise (”Khatam al-Nabiyyin” contained in the verse relating to the seal of the Prophets) is correct then after the death of Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him), Angel Gabriel has forever been forbidden to bring prophetic revelations. (Izala Auham, p. 577).
July 21st, 2008
Another blow: Mirza wrote in his one book:
The 21st verse [33:40] is this: “Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but he is the messenger of Allah and the Seal of the Prophets.”
The verse declares openly that after our Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) there will not come in this world any other Prophet. (Izala Auham, p. 614).
Your say on the above comment of your own Mirza.
Other readers:
Please note that I am now taking Ghulam’s writing from a site belong to one sect of these ahmedis. I never thought that research on the internet about Qadyanis/Lahoris/Ahmedis is so easy.
July 21st, 2008
Ok now let’s take another comment of your Mirza about this verse:
After the declaration in the Holy Quran “Khatam-al-Nabiyyin”, the coming of another Prophet, whether a new one or the coming of an earlier one, is completely forbidden” (Izala Auham, p. 761).
What do you say on the above?
For other readers:
I disagree with the later part of Mirza’s comment. I mean I believe that Hazrat Isa (AS) will come to this world from heavens again. And I believe that Mirza was not a prophet nor he was a Messiah. And he was also not the Imam Mahdi (RA).